Boy, you guys come up with some very good points... I never knew you could do this kind of stuff, Thanks Spider, and am checking into other programs of conflick... So have learned alot today again... Ron, Your rant is very good... Have you wrote the company about it yet ? Would be a good thing to do also... and I am a novice here and love when they dumb down the product... or I could not install anything... I agree, should be your choise of what to install, not theirs... May I get the site where this group is, I want to go back on mail but don't have the home pg in the favorites because this is a new pc and I want to change the addy also... Thanks...mep ------------------------------ From: "Spider" <spider1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: Security Decisions Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 18:34:06 -0400 Ron, I read your "rant" :-) and you do make some good points. I even understand what you are getting at. I suspect there MIGHT be a way to have both actually. I've not tried it, but what I think you could do is install Trend Internet Security first without Zone Alarm being present. Then look in the folder that Trend installs to and you will find a file called PCCTool.exe. Run that and go to the Uninstall tab and you will see a button to "Uninstall Firewall". After doing that, I would think you could then install Zone Alarm Pro. This is by the way one of my complaints with Trend. I think they should give you the option during setup as to whether or not you want the firewall instead of forcing the install and then making you use an undocumented diagnostic tool to remove it. It smacks of Norton tricks. I hope it does not become a habit with Trend. I understand the need to dumb down the installation for novice's but that does not mean they can't put an advanced button in their setup to allow custom installs. Spider http://web.tampabay.rr.com/spider1 http://spider1.blogspot.com/ http://erablog.net/blogs/Spider1/ For a web-based membership management utility and information on list policies, please see http://nibec.com/24hoursupport/ To unsubscribe, send a blank email to 24hoursupport-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with "unsubscribe" (without quotes) in the subject.