On 25/03/2008, Michael Lotz <mmlr@xxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 18:17:18 -0400, Karl vom Dorff wrote > > I take the side that the software might be good for developers who don't > > want to bother setting up a build environment, download the entire > > source, and then compile it and figure out why there's isn't an > > *.iso etc. They just burn it, test it, and maybe as a result submit > > patches or fixes to Haiku. Or, maybe users might have the same issue, > > and later submit bug reports or add their hardware to our hardware > database. > > I am sorry, but I find this a rather naive view. If a developer does want to > give Haiku a try for the first time, then the harddisk images are way better > to do this. That's probably also the reason why they are so easily available. I have to agree with Michael on this point - true developers probably won't find the LiveCD very useful, enticing, or otherwise thrilling. It's boring. Developers will want to use the "real-deal". Where they can alter some code, compile, and see their changes immediately on the next boot. Or better yet - when they can recompile bits of Haiku from within Haiku and see their changes immediately. Using LiveCDs for development is HIGHLY unlikely. For testing hardware compatibility, on the other hand, or giving a quick demo of what Haiku looks like and how it works - a LiveCD is somewhat useful. I imagine when I'll be able to whip out a Haiku LiveCD while chatting with someone - pop it into their computer, and give them a quick demo of what Haiku is. That day has not arrived yet. The most important use of a LiveCD will be to use for installing Haiku when that becomes a reality (which it hasn't yet). For example, I gave a coworker a Haiku LiveCD the other day to test on a couple of his machines at home - and all he reported back to me was that none of them worked. Wow... what a let down. But, he's also seen it running in action before on my laptop, however, so he knows it does work in the proper circumstances. If you're going to provide public LiveCDs - you have to assume (or even hope) the people downloading them are likely not interested in development of Haiku at this point. They're most likely going to be eager individuals who want to see what the hype is about - or just see if it runs on their hardware yet. And if it fails to run - when are they likely to try it again? in a month? in a year? So anyway, I say all this from a non-Haiku-developer position (even though I do develop software for a living). Everything I say is of course my own opinion, and even my opinion has changed somewhat over the years to be more conservative about releasing Haiku to the public en-masse. I think that using Haiku in VMWare is a much better experience for someone who just wants to see what it's all about and how it works. Sorry for rambling :) - Urias