[Wittrs] Re: When is "brain talk" really dualism?
- From: "Cayuse" <z.z7@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <wittrs@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 15:22:16 +0100
swmaerske wrote:
"Cayuse" wrote:
It would require a "god's eye" view to ascertain whether or not
there is a domain beyond "subjective experience". Any talk of such a
domain is nonsensical.
Then why are you bringing it up? I'm not and haven't. It has no
relevance to anything I have said about minds or consciousness or
experience or subjective experience!
Because there's a use of the word 'consciousness' that you're overlooking,
namely what Nagel calls the "what it is like". I doubt that this can be
entirely divorced from your use of the word 'consciousness', and if I'm
right, then this supports Chalmers' claim that this aspect of consciousness
presents a uniquely hard problem for those hoping for an entirely physical
account of consciousness.
But perhaps you have some quote or argument to offer that can
support your claim that to speak of "subjective experience" meant,
for Wittgenstein, to aim for what we cannot have, that is, such a
"god's eye view"?
I'm not aware of LW mentioning "subjective experience" anywhere, but
then I've only read the TLP and the PI. If he does then the
reference would be appreciated.
You're the one who is claiming that Wittgenstein's work supports your
interpretation that "subjective experience" is "the microcosm", "the
all" or "the visual room"! So it is for you to provide evidence that
your interpretation is correct, either by argument or by some direct
quotes which show him saying or arguing for such a position.
You asked a question ("perhaps you have some quote or argument to offer that
can support your claim that to speak of "subjective experience" meant, for
Wittgenstein [...]?"). I gave my answer and made an enquiry. Your reply to
my enquiry seems rather incongruent, so I'll leave it here for anybody else
that might have something more congruent to contribute: Is there anywhere in
his works that LW mentions "subjective experience"?
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