kirby urner wrote:
Cayuse wrote:Referencer and referent are conceptually distinct and arise in mutual relationship and inter-dependence within it. Any talk of a domain beyond "subjective experience" is nonsensical. (The "visual room" cannot be pointed to.)Are you OK with this dogmatic flavor? What if someone comes to me with a picture of what he was looking at, and calls that a picture of his visual room. He then points to that picture. I think your "cannot" is too strong, plus LW mentions it's one of the challenges to not get an "it's impossible" mindset, as we really mean "nonsensical" i.e. what if we could? If you draw a blank, then it's not that you can't.
Hi Kirby. LW says of the visual room that "I can as little own it as I can walk about in it, or look at it, or point to it. Inasmuch as it cannot be any one else's, it is not mine either [...] But then the visual room /cannot/ have any owner." (PI 398, italics in the original.) It doesn't seem too strong to say that the visual room /cannot/ be pointed to, when there is nothing to point to it. In the example you give above, I would say that he isn't pointing to his visual room but to a drawing of his visual room. Group Home Page: http://seanwilson.org/wittgenstein.discussion.html Group Discussion Board: http://seanwilson.org/forum/ Google Archive: http://groups.google.com/group/Wittrs FreeList Archive: //www.freelists.org/archive/wittrs FreeList for September: //www.freelists.org/archive/wittrs/09-2009 FreeList for August: //www.freelists.org/archive/wittrs/08-2009 Group Creator's Page: http://seanwilson.org/ Today's Messages: http://seanwilson.org/forum/index.php?S=d886f18704524b9992bac8164354cd96&SQ=0&t=mnav&rng=1&rng2=0&u=86400&forum_limiter=&btn_submit=Begin+Search Messages From Last 3 Days: http://seanwilson.org/forum/index.php?S=d886f18704524b9992bac8164354cd96&SQ=0&t=mnav&rng=3&rng2=0&u=86400&forum_limiter=&btn_submit=Begin+Search This Week's Messages: http://seanwilson.org/forum/index.php?S=d886f18704524b9992bac8164354cd96&SQ=0&t=mnav&rng=7&rng2=0&u=86400&forum_limiter=&btn_submit=Begin+Search Yahoo Archive: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Wittrs;_ylc=X3oDMTJmMzg0Z3FnBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI4NjkzODY5BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTYzMjIyNwRzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEyNTE4NDE4MDc-
