On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 1:55 PM, brendan downs <downs_brendan@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > If we follow arguments from the 3 great Empiricists Locke-(ideaism), > Berekely-(Idealism) and Hume(solipism) we arrive at the private language > argument i.e In order to tell if someone understands a word or phrase, one > looks to behaviour. If someone were to behave as if they understood a > language which no-one else can make sense of, we might call this an example > of a private language. From the position of solipism(The only mind that > exists is my own) I can only assert that others have a mind by looking to > ones behaviour, as in they show intelligent behaviour i.e behave as they > understand a language. This is an argument by analogy, I compare my behavior > to someone else. This is not a deductive or inductive argument but an > argument that takes the form "inference to the best explanation". From an IBE > no premise can be asserted to be true or false because only propositions have > the property of being true or false, explaintions can only be good or bad. So > it makes no sense to assert > that private argument is either true or false. > > Brendan It's important not to turn Wittgenstein into some crass behaviorist who thinks you need a lot of behavior to prove a given person is in pain. Sometimes you don't get to see a person at all, yet you know something about what happened and you know this entails pain. This idea that we're always trying to ascertain whether someone is in pain or not, by closely observing their behavior, is quite apropos in some situations, I would never dispute that, but in many other circumstances, nothing of the sort is required. What may also happen is most of those in a room can detect that so-and-so is in psychological pain, based on tone of voice, facial expressions, but said individual doesn't acknowledge feeling wounded or hurt, is actually doing his or her best to conceal any such feelings, even from him or herself. We could call this being in denial about one's pain. Yes, behavior is involved, but the grammar has changed in that you're not treating an individual as the one true authority in the room about what she or he is subjectively experiencing. It's important to remember these cases lest we oversimplify and suggest there's only one cut and dried way of talking, such that whoever says they're in pain has the final word on the matter. Kirby WEB VIEW: http://tinyurl.com/ku7ga4 TODAY: http://alturl.com/whcf 3 DAYS: http://alturl.com/d9vz 1 WEEK: http://alturl.com/yeza GOOGLE: http://groups.google.com/group/Wittrs YAHOO: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Wittrs/ FREELIST: //www.freelists.org/archive/wittrs/09-2009