Wayne, I think Terri has your goose amswer. There was a similar problem in a fishing village along Lake Michigan with Gulls. They used a Border Collie trained to flush the birds. Any herding breed would do (not "healers" like Cattle Dogs). These dogs were created to herd sheep, and work them tirelessly all day long. They are absolutely relentless in their task, and have a ball doing it. When trained properly, they are easily controlled by vocal commands and can be adapted to flush the birds without harming them. I would be very surprised if your local Kennel Club wouldn't be able to put you in touch with some folks willing and able to help out. Vitually all Kennel Clubs have a group of folks who enjoy Agility Training. It makes perfect sense if you have ever seen a trial of sheep herding dogs - very common in Scotland. These dogs have herded sheep in the steep hills for centuries, and are usually controlled by a Sheperd with a series of whistles. It is simply impressive to watch. Dogs use and understand body language vastly better than humans do. Sounds like it might just be your win/win answer. -- Bill Krouse Suamico, Brown County, WI Ask me how to adopt a Greyhound or Borzoi! http://www.gpawisconsin.org/ http://www.nbrf.info/ http://www.NoWisconsinPuppyMills.org ---- Terri Welisek <terriw@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: ============= The problem with the crows will only last another couple weeks because of the changing angle of the sun and the amount of cloud cover. You've probably noticed that these attacks occur during a similar timeframe each day. You might try putting a light near those affected windows to reduce the reflection or if they can be opened that will change the angle of glare. As for the geese, you might as the parishioners to volunteer to come by a couple times each day with a dog and walk the grounds. More often is effective. The geese will move to another pond where they are less annoyed. Of course, another group migrating may discover your watering hole and the fun starts all over. Good Birding, Terri Welisek Sherwood, WI Calumet County -----Original Message----- From: wisbirdn-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:wisbirdn-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Wayne & Susie Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 9:14 PM To: wisbirdn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [wisb] Help! Bird Problems! Seriously, I need good advice from the birding community re: two bird problems. Both involve a church in Walworth: 1) Day after day for the past several weeks, crows have been continually banging into the windows ... and they persist at it (as if fighting their reflections?). A single crow may attack a window for as long as an hour! 2) The small pond on the property has attracted hundreds of geese. If chased away, they just come back later. Any suggestions re: what to do about either of these problems? All creative and effective solutions will be appreciated! Thanks in advance, Wayne Rohde Walworth, WI #################### You received this email because you are subscribed to the Wisconsin Birding Network (Wisbirdn). To UNSUBSCRIBE or SUBSCRIBE, use the Wisbirdn web interface at: //www.freelists.org/list/wisbirdn. To set DIGEST or VACATION modes, use the Wisbirdn web interface at: //www.freelists.org/list/wisbirdn. Visit Wisbirdn ARCHIVES at: //www.freelists.org/archives/wisbirdn. #################### You received this email because you are subscribed to the Wisconsin Birding Network (Wisbirdn). To UNSUBSCRIBE or SUBSCRIBE, use the Wisbirdn web interface at: //www.freelists.org/list/wisbirdn. To set DIGEST or VACATION modes, use the Wisbirdn web interface at: //www.freelists.org/list/wisbirdn. Visit Wisbirdn ARCHIVES at: //www.freelists.org/archives/wisbirdn. #################### You received this email because you are subscribed to the Wisconsin Birding Network (Wisbirdn). To UNSUBSCRIBE or SUBSCRIBE, use the Wisbirdn web interface at: //www.freelists.org/list/wisbirdn. To set DIGEST or VACATION modes, use the Wisbirdn web interface at: //www.freelists.org/list/wisbirdn. Visit Wisbirdn ARCHIVES at: //www.freelists.org/archives/wisbirdn.