[wisb] Re: Dowitcher ID - what do you think?
- From: Ryan Brady <ryanbrady10@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <wisbirdn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 20:50:54 -0600
Discussion seems to have run its course. I'm reasonably satisfied now that all
of these are Long-billeds, based on some additional research and good feedback
I've received from various respected sources. John Idzikowski chimed in with
Long-billed for all three, as did Kevin Karlson, co-author of The Shorebird
Guide.
For anyone still interested, Kevin's comments are in the caption of the photo
at http://www.pbase.com/rbrady/image/143076479
I put John's comments in the caption of the photo at
http://www.pbase.com/rbrady/image/143076480
Thanks to all for the learning experience. I'll be much better equipped the
next time I see some dowitchers!
Ryan Brady
Washburn, Bayfield County, WI
http://www.pbase.com/rbrady
> From: ryanbrady10@xxxxxxxxxxx
> To: wisbirdn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: [wisb] Re: Dowitcher ID - what do you think?
> Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 10:09:42 -0600
>
>
> While finality is always nice, I'm somewhat happy that in the three forums
> I've posted this to (here, wisbirdn facebook group, and facebook ID group)
> disagreement/confusion reigns as well. So Nick, Sam, and I weren't missing
> the boat. In addition to what you've read here on wisbirdn, a couple folks I
> also highly respect have weighed in on Facebook with differing opinion that
> all 3 birds are Long-billeds. Most notably comes the following from Alvaro
> Jaramillo, who some of you know:
>
> "Hi folks. All three look like Long-billed Dowitchers to me. They are not
> fully molted in on the underparts, making them tougher. Flank pattern of
> rusty, black bar and white tip with no rufous between the black or white is
> very good. Black centered scapulars with white fringes that constrict at
> rachis, so that with a little wear they will look like two separate white
> spots on each feather is good. Extent of rusty below all good, lack of single
> spots anywhere on reddish belly is against Short-billed. The shorter billed
> one is a male. The hendersoni are also more orange below, less brick, and
> have more gold tones on the upperparts in spring."
>
> Thanks for the discussion so far, looking forward to more informed input.
>
>
> Ryan Brady
> Washburn, Bayfield County, WI
> http://www.pbase.com/rbrady
>
>
>
> > From: stevethiessen@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > To: ryanbrady10@xxxxxxxxxxx; wisbirdn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [wisb] Re: Dowitcher ID - what do you think?
> > Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 01:49:03 -0500
> >
> >
> >
> > On pic 58, A bird's throat doesn't appear clear. I'd say A and C LB's and B
> > not sure. It has more rust edged scapulars with out white, but still seems
> > to have a lot of white, brighter on some pics. Regular texts don't solve
> > some problems. Online photos don't always help either and are miss labeled.
> > I was looking yesterday, because we had the same problem Wednesday. There
> > was a photo where the person was making a point that the SB's bill is quite
> > long and had a LB in the photo. Steve Thiessen Stoughton Dane co.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ryan Brady" <ryanbrady10@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <wisbirdn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 8:45 PM
> > Subject: [wisb] Dowitcher ID - what do you think?
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Short version...what species are represented by these dowitchers seen in
> >> Ashland yesterday?
> >>
> >> http://www.pbase.com/rbrady/dowitcherid
> >> http://www.pbase.com/nanich/dowitchers
> >>
> >>
> >> Longer version... Sam Krerowicz found three dowitchers just west of
> >> Ashland yesterday and then Nick Anich and I headed out to take a look
> >> after work. We didn't have much time and expected Short-billeds, even
> >> though it's slightly earlier (by about a week) than we usually see them.
> >> We walked up and tried turning them into Long-billeds. We thought we might
> >> have 1 LB and 2 SBs at one point and then convinced ourselves they were
> >> all just the expected SBs as LBs are quite rare here. We soon left to
> >> return to our fatherly duties but later last night that ID didn't sit well
> >> with us. After some chatting Nick and I started to convince ourselves that
> >> Bird C had to be a LB. Then we were leaning toward all 3 being LBs. Then
> >> we were just downright confused. And here we are...confused. This is a
> >> tough ID and one Nick and I frankly are not comfortable with. We butchered
> >> the whole process as we could've had killer photos of the birds in perfect
> >> light but our hurriedness resulted in mostly poo
> >> r digiscopes and heavily cropped dSLR shots, which are in the two
> >> galleries above.
> >>
> >> What do you think? I've labeled the individuals in my gallery for ease of
> >> referencing Birds A, B, and C during discussion.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Ryan Brady
> >> Washburn, Bayfield County, WI
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