[wisb] Re: Black-legged Kittiwake?
- From: "B.G. Sloan" <bgsloan2@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: wisbirdn <wisbirdn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 18:00:58 -0800 (PST)
Ryan,
Absolutely no offense taken. I fully understand what you're saying.
Like I said in my last post, I'm not sure I could convince a records committee
of this ID. And like you said, I've learned a heck of a lot more about gull IDs
by trying to sort this out, which is a *BIG* plus.
But for my informal, personal BIGBY purposes, I can't think of another gull
that size, with markings like that, at this time of year. I'm just trying to
record the possibilities of the diversity that one might encounter while
walking from home. If enough other people think I'm off base, I'll leave it as
a "possible".
Thanks!
Bernie Sloan
--- On Sat, 1/15/11, Ryan Brady <ryanbrady10@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> From: Ryan Brady <ryanbrady10@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [wisb] Re: Black-legged Kittiwake?
> To: bgsloan2@xxxxxxxxx, wisbirdn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Saturday, January 15, 2011, 5:04 PM
> Bernie, don't take this personally
> but this is a classic example of a bird that should be left
> unidentified. Based on what you've posted you simply
> did not see everything needed to conclusively identify the
> bird, which is absolutely fine and something every birder
> has experienced. Of course you can call it whatever
> you want but in my opinion the value of your observation has
> nothing to do with another tick on a list but rather the
> knowledge and experience you've gained in the process, which
> will allow you to separate these species in the future and
> makes you a better birder than you were yesterday.
> Knowing when you don't know is a great birding skill!
>
>
>
> Ryan Brady
> Washburn, Bayfield County, WI
> http://www.pbase.com/rbrady
>
>
>
>
>
> > Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 10:12:41 -0800
> > From: bgsloan2@xxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [wisb] Re: Black-legged Kittiwake?
> > To: wisbirdn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> > I think I'm going to call this bird a Kittiwake, based
> on John Idzikowski's information on the historical essential
> absence of Boni's in Milwaukee in January, the size of the
> bird (relative to the nearby Scaups), and the fact that
> first winter BL Kittiwakes don't always have the dark neck
> collar (or that it isn't always visible).
> >
> > I didn't even think of Kittiwake at first because of
> the neck collar thing, even though everything else was
> consistent with the species. Thanks to Max Witynski for
> suggesting off-list that it could have been a Kittiwake. I'm
> sure enough of this ID to check it off as 12-month BIGBY
> species #198. Not sure I could convince a records committee,
> though.
> >
> > By the way, I went back to McKinley Beach yesterday to
> try to relocate the bird, with no luck. Coincidentally, a
> first winter BL Kittiwake showed up on the Chicago lakefront
> this morning.
> >
> > Bernie Sloan
> > Milwaukee
> >
> > --- On Sat, 1/15/11, John Idzikowski <idzikoj@xxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> >
> > > From: John Idzikowski <idzikoj@xxxxxxx>
> > > Subject: [wisb] Re: Black-legged Kittiwake?
> > > To: ryanbrady10@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Cc: pfissel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx,
> bgsloan2@xxxxxxxxx,
> wisbirdn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Date: Saturday, January 15, 2011, 11:18 AM
> > > I think that a Kittiwake has a
> > > greater chance of occurrence now than a Boni in
> Milwaukee.
> > > Bonis are very cold sensitive and leave the state
> mostly by
> > > the end of Nov. Even when we had a large warm
> water plume
> > > emitting from the Jones' Is. sewage filtration
> plant and
> > > they fed here daily into Dec. they readily left
> when faced
> > > with cold weather like we have had in the last 3
> weeks such
> > > that they are essentially absent historically
> from Milwaukee
> > > in January.
> > >
> > > John Idzikowski
> > > Milwaukee
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Ryan Brady <ryanbrady10@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: pfissel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx,
> > > bgsloan2@xxxxxxxxx,
> > > wisbirdn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Sent: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 08:43:36 -0600 (CST)
> > > Subject: [wisb] Re: Black-legged Kittiwake?
> > >
> > > The black collar on first-cycle Black-legged
> Kittiwakes can
> > > be readily missed depending on the distance,
> lighting, and
> > > angle of bird's flight. On the other hand,
> many
> > > first-cycle Bonaparte's Gulls can show a dusky
> color that
> > > highly resembles that of kittiwakes, especially
> earlier in
> > > fall, so this feature alone is not entirely
> reliable.
> > >
> > >
> > > Ryan Brady
> > > Washburn, Bayfield County, WI
> > > http://www.pbase.com/rbrady
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 20:20:03 -0600
> > > > From: pfissel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: [wisb] Re: Black-legged Kittiwake?
> > > > To: bgsloan2@xxxxxxxxx;
> > > wisbirdn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >
> > > > If I recall correctly, last winter's Port
> Washington
> > > BL Kittiwake had a neck collar that wasn't always
> very
> > > apparent. That bird was also there for what,
> three months at
> > > least, and went through some plumage changes
> during its
> > > stay.
> > > >
> > > > Peter Fissel
> > > > Madison WI
> > > >
> > > > On 01/14/11, "B.G. Sloan" wrote:
> > > > > Yesterday I reported a mystery gull. I
> described
> > > it as "Smallish, about the size of the Scaups it
> was hanging
> > > out with. Black bill, some sootiness on the sides
> of the
> > > head. I'm thinking probably Bonaparte's?"
> > > > >
> > > > > Off-list, someone suggested that I
> consider
> > > juvenile Black-legged Kittiwake. The size makes
> sense, since
> > > it was the size of the Greater Scaups it was
> hanging out
> > > with. My preliminary Bonaparte's ID bothered me a
> bit
> > > because I sort of thought a Bonaparte's would be
> noticeably
> > > smaller than a Scaup.
> > > > >
> > > > > I checked my Sibley, and his
> illustration of a
> > > first winter Black-legged Kittiwake (p. 229) kind
> of looks
> > > like what I saw, EXCEPT that I don't really
> recall seeing a
> > > black collar at the back of the neck. The caption
> on one BNA
> > > Online photo of a first winter bird sort of hints
> that these
> > > birds might not always have the dark collar:
> "Many often
> > > show a dark collar as well".
> > > > >
> > > > > The bird I saw more resembles Sibley's
> > > illustration of a first summer bird, except that
> the bill
> > > was all black. And it seems pretty late for a
> first-summer
> > > plumaged bird.
> > > > >
> > > > > What's the likelihood of finding a
> first winter
> > > Black-legged Kittiwake with no immediately
> obvious neck
> > > collar on Lake Michigan at this time of year? Or
> a late
> > > first-summer plumaged bird?
> > > > >
> > > > > Just curious...
> > > > >
> > > > > Bernie Sloan
> > > > > Milwaukee
> > > > >
> > > > >
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