Eventually I found I like it. Unfortunately you have to go through weeks of problems finding things. There were days that I swore they had removed some function from word. Then I'd find it the next day. Once I figured out that I had to remember that some things are context sensitive things got a lot easier. 95% of the time what I want is either under "home" or "format" - as long as I click on the thing I want to change first. My feeling is that it isn't that the new design is bad, it is that we are so trained to use the previously bad design. I'm an old dog, but eventually I learn new tricks. A great test would be to find someone who never used office and train them on the new first and have them try to switch. But where could you find someone like that? From: windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Costanzo, Ray Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 8:00 AM To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [windows2000] Re: Windows Vista officially released to Manufacturing! You like the new toolbar look? I ran a beta for a month or so in May (or something), and I was still kinda undecided about the new toy-like toolbars. -----Original Message----- From: windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tim Mangan I snatched a copy of office last night also, but sense you convinced me to do things right I guess I wait for the OS. I have been using the Office betas and have been quite happy with them.