Hey, thanks so much for the sarcasm; it is really appreciated!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher Chaltain" <cchaltain@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <winamp4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: Can't get into preferences, in 5.434 Beta...
Well, I'm not sure it is incumbent for someone on this list to slow down
and walk someone through anything. I'd say that would be true if the
people on this list were professional instructors or support people, but
they're volunteers sharing their time. If their motive is to feed their
egos then the moderator has to decide if it's better to have them
participate knowing that or not have them participate at all.
I'm not saying people shouldn't be helpful, and I don't have an opinion
on the issue at hand, but I'm just saying that people's expectations
should take into account that this is a voluntary mailing list and not a
helpdesk or support line.
I know I participate--as time permits--to feed my ego. It's not just to
show off my expertise though; it's to show off my superior writing
skills and ability to explain things! :-)
Mac Norins wrote:
> Thanks, Chris for moderating on this! I totally concur with what you are
> saying. Let me say, though, that if someone gives me information, on an
> intermediate or advanced level and I don't articulate what I am trying to
> say, correctly, isn't it incumbent upon that person to slow down and try
> to
> walk me through it? Otherwise, isn't there just a tendency to "feed your
> ego", as to your expertise, as it were? That seems to happen, a lot, on
> this list. Since you just explained that it is an intermediate or
> advanced
> list, then, maybe, as you continue to help people to get to that level,
> you
> need to help us to understand what is going on! I can't stress this point
> enough! Now, back to the experimentation, with build 1178 (not 1158) of
> version 5.34 Beta! I don't think that I will be doing much more with this
> Beta thing, though, because it is pretty scary to my computer system and I
> don't want to create other problems. If you could recommend a person that
> is able and willing to tutor me, in this realm, by all means, do so!
> Thanks
> for all of your help!
>
> -Mac-
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris Skarstad" <toonhead@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <winamp4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 11:04 AM
> Subject: Re: Can't get into preferences, in 5.434 Beta...
>
>
> Hi Mac
>
> I'm not sure what experience you have with Windows itself, but if
> you're confused about some of the concepts, you might like to join
> another list to ask other sort of windows related questions.
> This way, you'll have a better understanding of the type of things
> that Jim, myself and others are talking about. This list is for
> people who are intermediate to advanced Windows users, so you are
> going to see some more advanced stuff. it's not always easy to walk
> folks through things, nice as it is.
> So, when you see posts like this, it's not as if that the more
> advanced users on the list are trying to be rude or abrupt, far from it.
> It's just that you aren't understanding the exchange of
> information. If you really wanna try to learn about things, ask
> about specific terms that you're fuzzy on. Like for example, if you
> don't understand a term that Jim, myself, or someone else is using,
> just write in and say hey, I'm not sure what you're refering to here,
> could you elaborate or explain what you mean by *insert term you
> aren't sure about here*? if you do we'll be happy too. But to do
> that, we have to know exactly what you're not sure about, so it helps
> to be specific. That way, we'll all help each other which is what
> the list is all about, that's the goal here.
>
>
> At 12:49 PM 3/17/2007, you wrote:
>
>> Jim,
>>
>> One of the reasons that you are not understanding my problems at all is
>> that
>> you seem to be expecting that your instructions are understandable to a
>> novice! I have some Win Amp experience, but, alas, not a lot of
>> understanding of the inner workings, as you seem to have. So, when you
>> offer these instructions, you just might offer them with a sense that I
>> probably will not have a clue as to what you are talking about, OK? I
>> will
>> read over your post, quite a few times, until it sinks in, or, maybe, if
>> I
>> am lucky, you will walk me through it, very slowly!
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> -Mac-
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jim Grimsby JR." <jimgrims@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <winamp4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 2:16 AM
>> Subject: RE: Can't get into preferences, in 5.434 Beta...
>>
>>
>> Hi I am not understanding your problem at all. Just move down in the tree
>> find the option you want hit f6 to switch frames. All the options should
>> be
>> there in the next frame.
>> This is a standard windows command hence it being added to the jaws
>> scripts
>> to provide functionality.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: winamp4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:winamp4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mac Norins
>> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 10:53 PM
>> To: winamp4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: Can't get into preferences, in 5.434 Beta...
>>
>>
>> Oh, I read your post over again! I still don't know what you mean by not
>> confirmed; which part of my original message is not confirmed? Anyway, I
>> am
>>
>> using JAWS 8 , XP Home, Sp2, but, I.E.6, not 7! BTW, I got the build
>> 1178,
>> a couple of hours ago and was able to get into preferences, configure
>> some
>> things, but, I am still not able to navigate the library very well! I
>> sure
>> wish someone would tell a person how to configure this puppy nearly
>> completely or, failing that, just what to do to get to the place where
>> the
>> library is as it used to be, because it is really not too useable right
>> now,
>>
>> unless one is a very advanced user of Win Amp and I have been using it
>> for
>> a
>>
>> few years!
>>
>> How are you faring with the library? I used to be able to have a whole
>> list
>>
>> of ripped folders, could burn a CD, could even create a Disc Writer
>> crossfaded CD, from the SQR program, but, right now, nothing!
>>
>>
>> Mac ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "arlene" <nedster6@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <winamp4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 9:14 PM
>> Subject: Re: Can't get into preferences, in 5.434 Beta...
>>
>>
>> Not confirmed! Using the latest beta, Jaws 8.0 win xp home sp2 IE 7
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mac Norins" <macatack5@xxxxxxx>
>> To: <winamp4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 10:43 AM
>> Subject: Can't get into preferences, in 5.434 Beta...
>>
>>
>>
>>> I can't enter into preferences, in the 5.34 Beta! I get an error
>>> message, when I hit Control P, that says something like this: "Unknown
>>> script called
>>> to: goto win amp preferences", which then spells out g o t o w i n a m
>>> p p r
>>> e f e r e n c e s It is as if it were a code! Is this a peculiarity
>>> of
>>> the Beta version, or what?
>>>
>>> Any help appreciated, especially from more advanced users! BTW, I got
>>> the library to import all my folders, this morning
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> -Mac-
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