[webproducers] Re: salaries question
- From: Karen Haight <klh@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <webproducers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 14:16:21 -0500 (EST)
Eric:
Thank you for this response. I am particularly grateful for your
thoroughness: you set a high standard for this list. Also your note
about brokering some of that info (i.e., for a fee!) is understood.
I think it would be useful for us to hear and respond to your rant about
job titles and definitions. So many problems can be traced to semantic
confusion -- and avoided by semantic clarity. And don't get me started on
the subject of jargon.
Thanks again,
Karen (Haight)
On Mon, 12 Nov 2001, Eric Swenson wrote:
>
> Karen:
>
> FYI, as a consultant who often ghost hires/fires for my clients and
> accesses a lot of competitive and comparative HR data, I can tell you
> that the salary.com baselines are fairly accurate, but with a series of
> caveats. One of the biggest disclaimers you have to be aware of is that
> the definitions for internet/new media jobs are still very, very liquid
> -- even within the realm of seasoned professionals. A true "SENIOR
> producer" in a respectable (multi)media firm that is producing active
> commercial product can often justify his/her salary, even if/when it's
> above the six figure mark. An under-used or poorly used Producer (note
> the capital P) is most likely a financial and intellecual drain. Hence
> the need for finely tuned HR crews who know how and where to place
> optimum talent.
>
> Re: Salary.com job description data -- it's obviously LCD (lowest common
> denominator) data. I would hold my employees to a much higher standard
> than what they describe, typically.
>
> Alternative data can be found at http://www.avvideo.com , the home of AV
> Video Multimedia Producer magazine. Industry Standard (RIP) produced an
> annual salary survey. Also, most of the major job boards now publish
> data vis a vis their salary calculators. The best baseline that I use,
> however, is to simply contact senior HR reps at the firms I end up using
> in any comparative model I'm building. Other resources are available
> but, uh, I get paid to broker those.... : )
>
> [I'll save my rant (for now) re: the liquidity of the title "producer"
> vs. project manager vs. AP, etc. but most people on this list who know
> me understand why I hold the title in such high esteem and get pissy
> over the dilution of it in dot-bomb multimedia circles.... Another day,
> perhaps...]
>
> The current climate is having a much greater effect on the AMOUNT of
> jobs available vs. the salaries for said jobs. Of course, some firms
> have been forced to cut back on salary baselines (uniformly) but others
> that are either improperly run or that employ (sic) unscrupulous
> practices have used "the downturn" as an excuse to undercut potential
> NEW employees in negotiations. I refer to this practice as being
> unscrupulous especially in cases where persons who are VASTLY more
> qualified than a current legacy employee base who are in desperate need
> of work come in and accept baselines that are far below market value and
> below that of the firm's legacy employee base (who are in no danger of
> being expelled).
>
> Good luck with your research.
>
> -- Eric
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: webproducers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:webproducers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Karen Haight
> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 1:36 PM
> To: webproducers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [webproducers] salaries question
>
>
>
>
> I'm checking the salary rates at http://www.salary.com and wondering
> whether they are really up-to-date, reflecting the current inclement
> economic weather. (Pages I'm looking at claim that "This data is as of
> November 2001.")
>
> Does anyone know if the info on this site is reliable -- or,
> alternatively, where one can find accurate salary info online?
>
> BTW here's what they list for a senior Web Producer, so-called: "A
> typical Producer, Sr - Web working in New York, NY 10276 is expected to
> earn a median base salary of $97,987. Half of the people in this job are
> expected to earn between $92,385 and $112,063 (i.e., between the 25th
> and 75th percentiles). These numbers are based on national averages
> adjusted by geographic salary differentials."
>
> The above-ref'd page's URL is:
> http://swz.salary.com/salarywizard/layoutscripts/swzl_compresult.asp?job
> code=IT10000083&narrowcode=IT02&geo=New+York%2C+NY+10276&zipcode=10276&j
> obtitle=Producer%2C+Sr+%2D+Web
>
> Also BTW, at the bottom of the page there is a useful linked list of
> related jobs.
>
> Thanks in advance for your feedback.
>
> Karen H.
>
> Karen Haight
> karen.haight@xxxxxxxxxxx | contact@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> 917-692-7946 (cell) | POB 1064 NYC 10276
>
>
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