Another convincing arguemet is to ask "Would you rather the client or their customers discover the problems/bugs or would rather we discover them first and correct them?" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christie Mason" <cmason@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <webproducers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 6:46 AM Subject: [webproducers] Re: persuading a project manager that formal testing is important??? > > Any chance you could "sneak" it in by rapid prototyping and calling it > "needs analysis"? > > Christie Mason > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "PeterV" <peter@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <webproducers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 3:00 AM > Subject: [webproducers] Re: persuading a project manager that formal testing > is important??? > > > > Hi Tia, > usually experience is the main factor that makes them see the light. I've > had the same problem. The reason PM's don't like testing sometimes is that > it eats into their budget/deadlines. You have to convince them it really > saves them money/time. The best way I found to explain it is call it "risk > management". Explain the risk they run by not testing. > Cheers, > Peter > > At 10:48 PM 6/26/2002 -0700, you wrote: > > >hi everyone! > > > >i've worked on a number of small commercial software projects where the > >project managers treated testing as an afterthought. does anyone know of a > >persuasive way to convince a project manager that formal testing is > >important? > > > >tia > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe send a blank message with unsubscribe in the subject to > webproducers-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > To access our webform (instead of sending e-mail) for popular commands > including subscribe, unsubscribe, digest, and vacation visit > www.WebProducers.org. You can also access the list archive at the website. > > Questions and comments are welcome just e-mail me, morry@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > __________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe send a blank message with unsubscribe in the subject to webproducers-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > To access our webform (instead of sending e-mail) for popular commands including subscribe, unsubscribe, digest, and vacation visit www.WebProducers.org. You can also access the list archive at the website. > > Questions and comments are welcome just e-mail me, morry@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > __________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe send a blank message with unsubscribe in the subject to webproducers-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To access our webform (instead of sending e-mail) for popular commands including subscribe, unsubscribe, digest, and vacation visit www.WebProducers.org. You can also access the list archive at the website. Questions and comments are welcome just e-mail me, morry@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx