Ok so we all recognize that this is a huge problem in working in agency's. Now the big questions is if there's something we can do about it. One person working for one company going against the whole AE establishment is hardly the answer. But is there anything we as a group could do to change the mindset? Perhaps one thing we as the Web Producers/Project Mangers Organization could do is to establish "best practices" or some industy standards. When WPO was started it was primarily for this very reason. Right now there are lots of orgs for designers, for programmers, for IA's but there was nothing to speak of for web /digital pm's. Thought's anyone? Morry > I can assure you, it is not. I've seen exactly the same scenario as Ari is > describing happen over and over and over again. In my experience, PMs were > often much more junior (both in terms of age and in the org chart) than the > account manager, who would pressure to cut corners. The parts that got > squeezed most often were testing and HTML production (design on the other > hand could drag on for months while the art directors examined their navels > waiting for "inspiration" to hit). > > "Testing? We don't need to schedule more than a few days. We can always fix > the problems after launch." > > Of course, you know what happens then: the client is upset that they got a > crappy product, and then the account manager runs to the PM to scream bloody > murder about it, when it's their own damn fault in the first place. > > Feh. > > -- > Maia > > __________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe send a blank message with unsubscribe in the subject to webproducers-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > To access our webform (instead of sending e-mail) for popular commands including subscribe, unsubscribe, digest, and vacation visit www.WebProducers.org. You can also access the list archive at the website. > > Questions and comments are welcome just e-mail me, morry@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > __________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe send a blank message with unsubscribe in the subject to webproducers-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To access our webform (instead of sending e-mail) for popular commands including subscribe, unsubscribe, digest, and vacation visit www.WebProducers.org. You can also access the list archive at the website. Questions and comments are welcome just e-mail me, morry@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx