hi everyone! i've worked on a number of small commercial software projects where the project managers treated testing as an afterthought. does anyone know of a persuasive way to convince a project manager that formal testing is important? tia Duane Douglas Web Developer mailto:ddouglas@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx __________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe send a blank message with unsubscribe in the subject to webproducers-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To access our webform (instead of sending e-mail) for popular commands including subscribe, unsubscribe, digest, and vacation visit www.WebProducers.org. You can also access the list archive at the website. Questions and comments are welcome just e-mail me, morry@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx