[webproducers] Re: What's in a name... Producer - Project Manager
- From: "L A Bradley, Jr." <labjlabj@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: webproducers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 13:25:13 -0400
I agree with Chris Galvin 100%.
I am a Project Manager and have managed PMOs - a best friend of mine is a
Producer.
Although from company to company, of course, it may vary, in my experience
of interviewing myself for jobs and interviewing 100's of prospective hires
- Chris' fits with the way most companies define the roles.
Producers = hands on all the time or at least when needed. And they are
involved with both projects (with start and end) and on going maintenance.
Project Managers = manage the deliverables, communication and timetables of
any number of groups involved with a project that has start and end -
designers, content, info architects, programmers, QA, IT, the end-client and
all stakeholders. And in my several roles, my PMO teams and I are hands-off
- would never (be allowed to (o; ) touch code or even upload content thru
CMS.
Many times the size of the shop/company/department drives this.
(I would throw in that Technical Project Managers more specifically manage
programmers and need a much stronger techical backgroud to be able to drive
decisions about quality and direction of code - although this is definitely
a job title where companies' definition is much more blurred between my
definitions above of PM vs TPM)
My $0.02 (where did the CENT key go?!?)
On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 1:30 AM, Dave Kaye <moatgoat@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> All,
>
> Here's my $0.02: I came up in the days when there were exactly two job
> descriptions: "Programmer" or "Designer." They both reported to a "Manager"
> of some kind. This was not that long ago.
>
> These days, it's all "Interaction Designer," "Information Designer,"
> "Information Architect," "Program Manager," "Project Manager," "Interaction
> Programmer," "Designing Architect," "Designing Woman," and "Interactive
> Managing Information Project Producer of Programming." I've seen people say
> with a straight face, "We need an Experience Manager!" Um...what?
>
> (Oh, and I blame this squarely on the educational programs like the one I
> formerly taught in that flooded the industry with more people than there
> were jobs, but I'll leave that for another post.)
>
> So whilst any of us might be "right" about the proper conception of the
> name "project manager/producer" (IMHO there is no such thing as a "producer"
> in interactive media unless some kind of video is involved), the final
> authority is the person that assigns that name in whatever organization s/he
> works for. I know this is not the point of asking the question, but I posit
> that this is reality. And so, you must ask questions.
>
> Hence: If you are talking about, say, RGA, Razorfish, or AKQA, they should
> certainly know better. If you are taking about "fistBUMP Interactive," you
> takes your chances.
>
> Dave.
>
> > Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 17:50:31 -0700
> > From: jeffrey_herz@xxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [webproducers] Re: What's in a name... Producer - Project
> Manager
> > To: webproducers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> > In my opinion, the role and title is determined by the function that the
> person is performing within the organization. Are they more creative
> oriented or technology focused?
> > Historically in advertising (and in television), a producer is the person
> that is responsible for getting all the work done across the board. At an
> advertising agency the production group is usually within the auspices of
> the creative department and the producer is tasked with ensuring that that
> work is completed and/or delivered when and where it needs to be. A
> producer could work for the studio or production. In the web world,
> producers would work more closely with the creative director, IA, flash
> developers and Front end folks. They are the bridge between the client and
> the creative department. The producer should be able to oversee the entire
> creative process and know what outputs are required and when they need to be
> delivered. They should also know how to lead & motivate the most artistic
> team members into delivering the best work
> >
> > Traditionally a Project Manager derives from the engineering discipline
> (construction, architecture, electrical, software, etc.) and tends to be
> more technical in nature. Since there is a much more of scientific approach
> with technical endeavors, project managers need to be more focused on the
> details and the schedule. Knowing and understanding the Software
> Development Life Cycle, (SDLC) and all the deliverables that are associated
> with technology is vital to the success of a project manager. This role is
> often the liason between the client and the technical team. Project
> Managers tend to have a better understanding of the entire project,
> including understanding the business drivers, ensuring that the
> functionality meets those business drivers and making sure that the solution
> ultimately delivers against the business drivers. The project manager is
> also responsible for tracking the overall progress of the project, providing
> status reports and also
> > assessing risk and creating mitigation plans. Finally the project
> manager should have some technical background as well, to be able to have a
> technical discussion, review an architecture and push the techies to
> determine if they are providing you with the absolute best solution.
> >
> > This is not to say to say that producers and project managers are
> mutually exclusive, since there can often be a large union of skills and
> backgrounds depending upon your specific project. However, in general if
> you have a more creative project, I would look for a producer to lead the
> initiative, if it is a more technical solution, then a project manager is
> more appropriate.
> >
> > Just my $.02
> >
> >
> > Jeff Herz
> > JMO Consulting
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> > weblog: http://jmoconsulting.blogspot.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Chris Galvin <chrisg@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: webproducers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 6:37:45 PM
> > Subject: [webproducers] Re: What's in a name... Producer - Project
> Manager
> >
> > in both positions. Web Producer = plays a dual-role as a front-end
> > coder and a project manager. Interactive Project Manager = manages
> > Interactive Projects and doesn't code, but has a working knowledge of
> > technologies used in building Interactive projects. Thoughts? Slams?
> > Rants? Raves?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sep 11, 2009, at 3:25 PM, Morry Galonoy wrote:
> >
> > > Ok so to get back on topic I thought it might be a good time to
> > > address the differences between being a "producer" and a "project
> > > manager".
> > >
> > > This has come up a few times recently on the lis and I thought it
> > > might be a good chance to have an open discussion on the topic. While
> > > some places have specific roles and responsibilities for those working
> > > as a producer vs a project manager there doesn't seem to be any iron
> > > clad definition or standard. When I started this group people were
> > > using both terms and we even did a survey at one point and producer
> > > was the most preferred title.
> > >
> > > Here's what we say on the website: "Web Producers Organization (WPO)
> > > is a professional organization created to support producers and
> > > project managers, of interactive and web-based media. Our titles are
> > > varied and often ambiguous* but if youâ??re responsible for managing
> > > interactive projects weâ??re youâ??re community. Our aim is to be your
> > > connection to the industry and other professionals and help you get
> > > your job done better, smarter, and more efficiently. (*producer,
> > > interactive project manager, team lead, consultant, web manager)"
> > >
> > > So let's have an open discussion about this with the understanding
> > > that there is no set definition and that the role varies. That said it
> > > would be interesting to see how you define producer vs. project
> > > manager. What are the similarities and differences in your
> > > organization if any?
> > >
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