[webproducers] Re: Need a Flash/web designer for 3 weeksonsite...

Sergei:

I agree with your point about the changing global technology condition,
and I suppose the theory is that IT professionals from other, less
privileged countries will be grateful/work harder than native Americans
(or Europeans - I will try not to be so US-myopic) given the opportunity
for higher wages. 

However, I am not so sure that productivity efficiencies are as clear
and economically viable as one might suppose. For instance, what happens
when your programmer doesn't quite understand your e-mail instruction
and/or direction and spends 2 - 3 days on a tangent before you reel him
back in? Or, if he underestimates his time/cost commitment and cannot
finish the job on time or on budget. Not that these things can't happen
here - many WPO folks must have horror stories about these types of in
house mis-communications.

I am contributing to this post as I believe this is a formative IT
issue, and will test the limits of American/European productivity and
skills with the emergent programming markets of India, China and - I
suppose but don't know - Russia. The Web allows for tremendous
connectivity and opportunity, but will it distribute the IT load
equitably and provide higher standards of living throughout or allow
certain large corporations to increase their profit margins to the
benefit of their shareholders (and the detriment of their employees)?

Michael

>>> sergei@xxxxxxxxxxx 08/07/03 10:26 AM >>>
Lydia,
you expressing your feelings here, that's nice.
But reality is, no matter what you feel or I feel or anybody else feel, 
global world has changed (and continuing ..). Communication technology 
becoming more and more affordable (internet, phones, conferencing, 
virtual offices .. you name it). Face the reality: technology jobs are 
getting transferred to immerging countries.

Fanny, MCI rep called me last week offering their  whatever calling 
plan. Guy told me he is calling from Malaysia. See, it cheaper to set 
office in Malaysia and telemarked US customers from there. Well ... 
slightly off topic, but practically same thing .

I have programmer I'm giving him work from time to time in central Asia.

Person is paralyzed (had an auto accident and damaged his spinal ..), 
but he skilled programmer and brains work well. I bet he is very 
thankful for this ability to work remotely.



Sergei Kachenkov
Mindpit Interactive
www.mindpit.com



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Lydia Sugarman wrote:

>Michael, I commend you for your measured response.  My reaction may be
a little more visceral, but it echoes in a very immediate way the same
issues you raise.
>
>That kind of out sourcing does not exist for me.  I live and work in
the US and  I believe in keeping jobs in the U.S. and supporting the
economy here.
>
>I have a problem with all the companies that lie to get H1B visas to
bring cheaper labor into this country while qualified citizens are out
of work and I have a problem with out sourcing for the same reason. I
believe it comes back to bite  you in the ass,  personally, corporately,
and on a national basis.  It is beyond me why the U.S. doesn't enforce
its own laws to protect its workforce as other countries do.
>
>So, I will gladly pay a fellow American in this country and preferably,
in this city to do the work and hope the favor is returned.  But, in the
meantime, I know that I am doing my part to bolster our economy.
Besides, I like being able to sit across a conference table or a table
in Starbucks to discuss my project with the person who's doing the work.

>  I need that give and take to feel confident that I am getting to
where I want to be in terms of a great design and back-end. I also know
where to go if something goes awry or regular updates are needed.  I've
been involved in enough projects to know that every programmer works
differently and it's far preferable to go back to the same person since
it saves time and money over the long run.  I'm a big subscriber to the
"you get what you pay for" philosophy.
>
>Your unrelenting litany on this and other lists about sending work out
of the country is offensive and insulting when the very people on those
lists are the ones who are suffering most from this practice....and you
expect to get advice from them?....really!  How rude of you!  Frankly,
I, for one,  am really tired of your always offering as the panacea for
everything  to send work out of this country through your company based
in Canada.  Give it a break.
>
>
>Most lists have members scattered all over the world who understand
what being part of a community means and have respect for their fellow
members.  You seem to be completely lacking in that understanding.
>
>Lydia Sugarman
>
>
>
>Andrey Chashkov wrote:
>
>>I'm just wondering - does it really make sense to pay contractors
$65-95
>>and more if you can get the same level of quality, turn around time,
>>experience and all the rest for $20-30 working with off-shore gurus?
>>What do you overpay for?
>>
>>Andrey Chashkov,
>>CEO, TechnoArt Labs
>>


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