[webproducers] Re: Need a Flash/web designer for 3 weeks onsite...

Sergei,

You can do whatever you want and give work to whomever you want.  Hey, 
you're in America where you can freely do pretty much whatever you want! 
  My reality is what I  make it to be as it is for others.  If we choose 
to keep jobs here, then that is the reality.

You cite call centers on the other side of the world.  If you did your 
research, you'd find that they are not nearly as successful as everyone 
thought they'd be.  Despite speaking American English without an accent, 
the cultural divide is just too wide to be traversed.  The same is true 
in almost all other situations, unless it is strictly a matter of server 
farms or whatever where no humans are really involved in the day to day 
service.

Another important point to consider is the proportion of small and 
family owned businesses in this country.  Something in excess of 90% of 
all companies in the US are in this category.  It's also a market 
segment that's been particularly hard hit and the most powerful group in 
Washington.  Any politician who hopes to be elected must be sensitive to 
this voting block. They are becoming more and more adamant about 
protecting jobs as well as many other other issues, e.g. estate tax laws 
were changed for this group.  They do *not* want to see more and more 
jobs that their companies do going outside the US.

So, out source.  If there's so much work going all over the worked from 
this country, why are you choosing to live here, rather than your 
homeland?

I'll just remember that although Mindpit is located in New York, it 
isn't a company that benefits New York or New Yorkers.  My 
recommendations will reflect that.   Your company name is extremely apropos.

Lydia Sugarman
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Sergei Kachenkov wrote:
> Lydia,
> you expressing your feelings here, that's nice.
> But reality is, no matter what you feel or I feel or anybody else feel, 
> global world has changed (and continuing ..). Communication technology 
> becoming more and more affordable (internet, phones, conferencing, 
> virtual offices .. you name it). Face the reality: technology jobs are 
> getting transferred to immerging countries.
> 
> Fanny, MCI rep called me last week offering their  whatever calling 
> plan. Guy told me he is calling from Malaysia. See, it cheaper to set 
> office in Malaysia and telemarked US customers from there. Well ... 
> slightly off topic, but practically same thing .
> 
> I have programmer I'm giving him work from time to time in central Asia. 
> Person is paralyzed (had an auto accident and damaged his spinal ..), 
> but he skilled programmer and brains work well. I bet he is very 
> thankful for this ability to work remotely.
> 
> 
> 
> Sergei Kachenkov
> Mindpit Interactive
> www.mindpit.com
> 
> 
> 
> ********
> Lydia Sugarman wrote:
> 
> 
>>Michael, I commend you for your measured response.  My reaction may be a 
>>little more visceral, but it echoes in a very immediate way the same issues 
>>you raise.
>>
>>That kind of out sourcing does not exist for me.  I live and work in the US 
>>and  I believe in keeping jobs in the U.S. and supporting the economy here.
>>
>>I have a problem with all the companies that lie to get H1B visas to bring 
>>cheaper labor into this country while qualified citizens are out of work and 
>>I have a problem with out sourcing for the same reason. I believe it comes 
>>back to bite  you in the ass,  personally, corporately, and on a national 
>>basis.  It is beyond me why the U.S. doesn't enforce its own laws to protect 
>>its workforce as other countries do.
>>
>>So, I will gladly pay a fellow American in this country and preferably, in 
>>this city to do the work and hope the favor is returned.  But, in the 
>>meantime, I know that I am doing my part to bolster our economy. Besides, I 
>>like being able to sit across a conference table or a table in Starbucks to 
>>discuss my project with the person who's doing the work. 
>> I need that give and take to feel confident that I am getting to where I 
>> want to be in terms of a great design and back-end. I also know where to go 
>> if something goes awry or regular updates are needed.  I've been involved in 
>> enough projects to know that every programmer works differently and it's far 
>> preferable to go back to the same person since it saves time and money over 
>> the long run.  I'm a big subscriber to the "you get what you pay for" 
>> philosophy.
>>
>>Your unrelenting litany on this and other lists about sending work out of the 
>>country is offensive and insulting when the very people on those lists are 
>>the ones who are suffering most from this practice....and you expect to get 
>>advice from them?....really!  How rude of you!  Frankly, I, for one,  am 
>>really tired of your always offering as the panacea for everything  to send 
>>work out of this country through your company based in Canada.  Give it a 
>>break.
>>
>>
>>Most lists have members scattered all over the world who understand what 
>>being part of a community means and have respect for their fellow members.  
>>You seem to be completely lacking in that understanding.
>>
>>Lydia Sugarman
>>
>>
>>
>>Andrey Chashkov wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I'm just wondering - does it really make sense to pay contractors $65-95
>>>and more if you can get the same level of quality, turn around time,
>>>experience and all the rest for $20-30 working with off-shore gurus?
>>>What do you overpay for?
>>>
>>>Andrey Chashkov,
>>>CEO, TechnoArt Labs
>>>
>>
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