[webproducers] Re: Need a Flash/web designer for 3 weeks onsite...

Michael, I commend you for your measured response.  My reaction may be a 
little more visceral, but it echoes in a very immediate way the same 
issues you raise.

That kind of out sourcing does not exist for me.  I live and work in the 
US and  I believe in keeping jobs in the U.S. and supporting the economy 
here.

I have a problem with all the companies that lie to get H1B visas to 
bring cheaper labor into this country while qualified citizens are out 
of work and I have a problem with out sourcing for the same reason.  I 
believe it comes back to bite  you in the ass,  personally, corporately, 
and on a national basis.  It is beyond me why the U.S. doesn't enforce 
its own laws to protect its workforce as other countries do.

So, I will gladly pay a fellow American in this country and preferably, 
in this city to do the work and hope the favor is returned.  But, in the 
meantime, I know that I am doing my part to bolster our economy. 
Besides, I like being able to sit across a conference table or a table 
in Starbucks to discuss my project with the person who's doing the work. 
  I need that give and take to feel confident that I am getting to where 
I want to be in terms of a great design and back-end. I also know where 
to go if something goes awry or regular updates are needed.  I've been 
involved in enough projects to know that every programmer works 
differently and it's far preferable to go back to the same person since 
it saves time and money over the long run.  I'm a big subscriber to the 
"you get what you pay for" philosophy.

Your unrelenting litany on this and other lists about sending work out 
of the country is offensive and insulting when the very people on those 
lists are the ones who are suffering most from this practice....and you 
expect to get advice from them?....really!  How rude of you!  Frankly, 
I, for one,  am really tired of your always offering as the panacea for 
everything  to send work out of this country through your company based 
in Canada.  Give it a break.


Most lists have members scattered all over the world who understand what 
being part of a community means and have respect for their fellow 
members.  You seem to be completely lacking in that understanding.

Lydia Sugarman



Andrey Chashkov wrote:
> I'm just wondering - does it really make sense to pay contractors $65-95
> and more if you can get the same level of quality, turn around time,
> experience and all the rest for $20-30 working with off-shore gurus?
> What do you overpay for?
> 
> Andrey Chashkov,
> CEO, TechnoArt Labs
> 
> 
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: webproducers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>>[mailto:webproducers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Katherine Gray
>>Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 4:19 AM
>>To: webproducers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Subject: [webproducers] Re: Need a Flash/web designer for 3 
>>weeks onsite...
>>
>>
>>In our next of the woods (Pacific Northwest), going rate is 
>>$65 - 95 per hour for contractors. We have a developer who 
>>also has a "production rate" of $45 when she's not doing 
>>design, just animation and production, a rate I think is 
>>faaabulous. -Katherine
>>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>>  From: Lydia Sugarman 
>>  To: webproducers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>>  Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 2:00 PM
>>  Subject: [webproducers] Re: Need a Flash/web designer for 3 
>>weeks onsite...
>>
>>
>>  Just curious what the going rate for Flash design is these 
>>days?  I am 
>>  in the  midst of putting together a team for a couple of 
>>possible projects.
>>
>>  Thanks,
>>  Lydia Sugarman
>>
>>
>>
>>  Dave Bushnell wrote:
>>  > Hi folks --
>>  > One of our designers has the unmitigated gall to put her 
>>upcoming wedding
>>  > before her work and will be taking three weeks off, so 
>>I'll need a talented
>>  > Flash/Web designer to fill her chair.
>>  >   > We're a small creative development and promotions agency, 
>>located at 28th
>>  > Street and 7th Avenue.  You can see our web site here:  
>>http://www.dma.net.
>>  > Most of your time will be taken developing Flash templates and
>>  > presentations.
>>  >   > You should have a solid portfolio of first-rate Flash design (an
>>  > understanding of basic actionscripting is a must, solid 
>>scripting knowledge
>>  > and/or Generator experience is a plus) and web design and 
>>production.  Some
>>  > Shockwave and/or Swift 3-D work is also a plus.  We 
>>develop in Dreamweaver
>>  > and are a PC-only shop, so while we're fine with you 
>>harboring ill-will
>>  > towards Bill Gates, we'll need you to swallow it for a while.
>>  >   > The gig will be on site at our offices and will begin 
>>August 25th and end
>>  > September 12th.  Pay will be commensurate with experience.
>>  >   > Please send URLs pointing to your work to me at 
>>dave@xxxxxxxx  Please point
>>  > out the specific work you did if you didn't do the whole 
>>thing.  Try not to
>>  > call me - I'll get back to everyone that e-mails.
>>  >   > Thanks!
>>  >   > -- Dave Bushnell
>>  > -------------------------------------------
>>  >   >>>>>>DIGITAL MARKETING ASSOCIATES <<<<<<<<
>>  >>>>>
>>  > Creative development for interactive media.
>>  >     212-741-9588 | http://www.dma.net
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