[visurfacereader] Re: Application configuration

I suspect a decent developer would like to wipe their feet properly,
so hope it can be fixed at their end regardless of any work arounds.

 

George.

 

From: visurfacereader-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:visurfacereader-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tim Burgess
Sent: 29 June 2012 15:44
To: visurfacereader@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [visurfacereader] Re: Application configuration

 

I suspect that this issue will relate to our order of detection and
the fact that NVDA doesn't seem to wipe its feet correctly when
unloaded.  If it's leaving a residue behind and we test for NVDA
before we test for Jaws (I think this is the case, but would need to
check the code) in our current product detection routine, then I can
see how the situation could arise.  The fix is simple enough - we put
the NVDA detection last in the list.  Hopefully, no other screen
readers leave their footprints behind and this will deal with the
issue completely.  Obviously, we can't cope with having multiple
products active at once (even if you can cope with all of the
verbiage) and the active product will be the one that is detected
first.

   

Best wishes.

 

Tim Burgess

Raised Bar Ltd

Phone:  +44 (0)1827 719822

 

Don't forget to vote for improved access to music and music technology
at

 

http://www.raisedbar.net/petition.htm

 

 

 

From: visurfacereader-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:visurfacereader-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
ptorpey00@xxxxxxxxx
Sent: 29 June 2012 15:16
To: visurfacereader@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [visurfacereader] Re: Application configuration

 

David,

 

You might be able to go into msconfig (from the Run menu) and turn it
off at boot.

 

--Pete

 

 

 

 

From: visurfacereader-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:visurfacereader-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David
Reynolds
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 9:59 AM
To: visurfacereader@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [visurfacereader] Re: Application configuration

 

The NVDA service is loaded as part of the boot. Give me a while, and
I'll work out how to stop it running.

 

Best,

 

David.

 

________________________________

From: visurfacereader-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:visurfacereader-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tim Burgess
Sent: 29 June 2012 14:34
To: visurfacereader@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [visurfacereader] Re: Application configuration

 

Can you please reboot so that NVDA has never been run then test again
and report the result. 

best wishes.

 

Tim Burgess

 


On 29 Jun 2012, at 14:26, "David Reynolds" <dkreynolds@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

        Tim

         

        I was using jaws, but the NVDA service is active. Just give me
a second. I'll close down the NVDA service, and see what happens.

         

        OK, sorry to report but it is still a problem.

        1.Select BCF2000.

        2.Go to file/new/application configuration.

        3.Type Sonar as the name.

        4.I then get a tree view, I open Mackie Control Protocol.

        5.I then type V, and get taken to VPot1.

        6.I open this node, and highlight jaws.

        7.I open jaws, and select live mode(?)

        8.I click the Add button.

        This brings up the error message described in my last email.

         

        Sorry, sorry, sorry.

         

        Best,

         

        David.

         

         

        
________________________________


        From: visurfacereader-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:visurfacereader-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tim Burgess
        Sent: 29 June 2012 14:13
        To: visurfacereader@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
        Subject: [visurfacereader] Re: Application configuration

         

        Hi,

         

        Two points:

         

        1 - Use a descriptive name for your configuration (for
example, Sonar instead of Sonarpdr) - we don't do anything like trying
to match against application .exe names or do foreground loading
(mainly because we couldn't find a method to make it work on the Mac -
another future version feature, maybe);

         

        2 - We restrict you to only being able to create/edit actions
for the screen reader you're currently using.  The reasoning behind
this will become apparent when you see what we're doing in Beta 5, but
suffice to say that, if you're running NVDA, you can't do anything in
the Jaws branch, etc..  Please tell me that you weren't running Jaws
when you get the error about not being able to change Jaws actions.
If you were, I'll need a keystroke by keystroke method of reproducing
the behaviour in order to fix it.

         

        Best wishes.

         

        Tim Burgess

        Raised Bar Ltd

        Phone:  +44 (0)1827 719822

         

        Don't forget to vote for improved access to music and music
technology at

         

        http://www.raisedbar.net/petition.htm

         

         

         

        From: visurfacereader-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:visurfacereader-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David
Reynolds
        Sent: 29 June 2012 13:30
        To: visurfacereader@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
        Subject: [visurfacereader] Re: Application configuration

         

        Hi again,

         

        I'm having a problem understanding what I need to do at this
point.

        I go for File/new/application configuration. I then type the
name of the app, i.e. sonarpdr.

        I get a tree view. I found VPot1 in the tree, opened it, and
found jaws. I then clicked Add. I got an error saying it could only
use the loaded screen reader.

        Any advice welcome,

         

        David.

         

         

        
________________________________


        From: visurfacereader-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:visurfacereader-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
<mailto:%5bmailto:visurfacereader-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx%5d>  On Behalf
Of Tim Burgess
        Sent: 29 June 2012 12:55
        To: visurfacereader@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
        Subject: [visurfacereader] Re: Application configuration

         

        Hi Dave,

         

        See my other post.  The essential point here is that "Edit"
means exactly that - there's got to be something loaded before you can
edit it.

         

        I must admit that I couldn't quite decide how/where to put the
application configuration stuff, so it's split between the File and
Edit menus.  I suppose I could create an AppConfig menu with Add...
and Properties... entries below it, though I could also argue that I
should add App Config as an option to the Surfaces menu, showing it as
a sub-menu with Add... and Properties... options below it.

         

        Which makes most sense from a users perspective?

         

        Best wishes.

         

        Tim Burgess

        Raised Bar Ltd

        Phone:  +44 (0)1827 719822

         

        Don't forget to vote for improved access to music and music
technology at

         

        http://www.raisedbar.net/petition.htm

         

         

         

        From: visurfacereader-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:visurfacereader-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
<mailto:%5bmailto:visurfacereader-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx%5d>  On Behalf
Of David Reynolds
        Sent: 29 June 2012 12:30
        To: visurfacereader@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
        Subject: [visurfacereader] Application configuration

         

        Hello,

         

        I decided to settle down and test the application
configuration section, but I can't get into it.

        I select my control surface, and select edit/application
configuration from the menu. The program crashes on an unhandled
exception. The exception is caught however, so this may be some code
that has been left in by accident.

        Perhaps I have done something wrong,

         

        Best,

         

        David.

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