[vicsireland] Re: What's so wrong with buttons?

  • From: "martin kelly" <mrmartinkelly@xxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <vicsireland@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 16:59:41 +0100

Cearbhaill!

I became aware of various adaptations to gym equipment when i attended an Adaptive Physical Activity (APA) Conference in Kerry in May 2005. On that occasion, there were a number of companies exhibiting different types of adaptive equipment aimed at the disability sector, including, templates for making digital displays accessible to VIP users. As you can imagine, there was a pretty serious premium on all of the gear on display and these templates don't come cheap. So! I was quite satisfied when my Gym agreed to purchase one for me. These templates sit over the visual display and have raised arrows (up and down) to allow the user to alter the various options on the treadmill...the incline, speed and so on. For the "normal user" to pick off these arrows is quite difficult so the culprit must ider be bored on the treadmill or have annalistic tendencies to undertake such destruction of public property.

In a nutshell...the templates are relatively expensive, quite indestructable but really effective for the VIP user.

Don't hesitate if you wish to pursue this area any further as I am keen to promote access for al...by the way, the gym (Sports Centre) installed a lift earlier this year after we at NAG (Newbridge Access Group) highlighted the need for a lift for many years. So the good news is that things are changing, even if it is needs nagging and letter writing to bring it about.

Cheerio just now

Martin K
----- Original Message ----- From: "Cearbhall O Meadhra" <cearbhall.omeadhra@xxxxxx>
To: <vicsireland@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 4:09 PM
Subject: [vicsireland] Re: What's so wrong with buttons?


Interesting!

Did the gym mention an actual figure for the adaptation? It would be useful
to know how many machines are involved.

I would be interested to know just what the template looks like if you don't
mind explaining it? I would think that a template consisting of a plastic
sheet with holes where the buttons go would be sufficient to give a blind
person access to the buttons and give the others nothing to pick at. What do
you think?

All the best,


Cearbhall

"Good design enables - Bad design disables"

Tel: 01-2864623 Mob: 087 9922227 Em: cearbhall.omeadhra@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

-----Original Message-----
From: vicsireland-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:vicsireland-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of martin kelly
Sent: 28 July 2007 15:12
To: vicsireland@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [vicsireland] Re: What's so wrong with buttons?

Hi again Cearbhaill

Thank you for getting back with such a considered response to the question
of making products accessible to VIPs...

Having had a similar experience to Tim, i felt that he should at least be
aware of the adaptions to treadmills etc. While the ideal would be to place templates on all of the equipment in the particular suite, the cost of this small effort at reasonable accommodation was highlighted to me. Naturally, I advised that the Gym purchase bumper dots to overcome my difficulty but my
advice was ignored.  Would you believe that people are picking off the
raised arrows on my particular template so you can just imagine what would
happen with bumper dots.

Don't worry, i have my own supply of chewing gum to stick on the treadmill
if the occasion arises

Keep up the good work on advocating for universal design and some day we
will all have nothing to moan about...don't you agree?

Martin K
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cearbhall O Meadhra" <cearbhall.omeadhra@xxxxxx>
To: <vicsireland@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 1:42 PM
Subject: [vicsireland] Re: What's so wrong with buttons?


Hi Martin,

I have struggled for years to get my gym to provide a template but without
success. The problem with a fixed template is that you are forced to use
only one particular machine. Why not ask for a template to be put on every
screen. If you are right and nobody notices the adaptation then it
shouldn't
interfere with anyone's use of any machine which has your template on it.

I have such a machine at home. This has a flexible plastic cover on it and

I
found that I could rub my finger around and feel the button underneath the
cover on a good day. Other days I could not find the buttons. Finally, I
got
my 10 year old to glue tiny points of superglue on the plastic cover,
carefully placed over the centre of the buttons. Now I have free and easy
access to all the controls! This could also be done in the gym don't you
think? Tiny spots like this leave the visual appearance unchanged and
leave
the surface easy to clean.

All the best,


Cearbhall

"Good design enables - Bad design disables"

Tel: 01-2864623 Mob: 087 9922227 Em: cearbhall.omeadhra@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

From: vicsireland-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:vicsireland-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of martin kelly
Sent: 28 July 2007 10:46
To: vicsireland@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [vicsireland] Re: What's so wrong with buttons?

Hi Tim!

As I'm just home after the hols. you have probably sorted out your
difficulties around using your ultra modern treadmill but I'll tell you my
story as it may help other folk in the same position...

My Gym went up-market and replaced all the older but very tangible screens
with the latest versions of these machines.  However, after requesting
that
one of the treadmills be made accessible to VIPs, I eventually needed to
suggest that the Equality Authority would be interested in this type of
localised discrimination.  I had made enquiries (and seen) various
templates
which have been designed to address this very problem and I informed the
"powers that be" their existence.

To make a long story shorter, I can now work away on my own with the aid
of
the template, the only problem is that other folk don't even realise that
the machine has been adapted and hop on board although several others are
lying idle.  So! i occasionally need to ask folk to move over but in a
"nice
way" so that everyone can get the best from their membership fees.

You've excuse now Tim, so stay up with the pace?

Martin K

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Harper" <goat@xxxxxx>
To: <vicsireland@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 10:31 AM
Subject: [vicsireland] Re: What's so wrong with buttons?


Hi tim I fully sympathise, but I suspect the reason is that with
everything
covered by smooth plastic there is less to get gunged up and go wrong and
its probably easier to give a touch screen a wipe down.   But I doubt
many
of the things which have touch screens will survive long enough for that
to
be really significant.

Ed

-----Original Message-----
From: vicsireland-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:vicsireland-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Tim Culhane
Sent: 11 July 2007 09:37
To: vicsireland@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [vicsireland] What's so wrong with buttons?


Hi,

***  warning this is a major rant,  so if you're not in the mood  then
delete this now ***

I was told in the gym I go to last week that they were getting new
threadmills this week.  Sure enough,  when I arrived in last night,
there
they were.

I had made a private bet with myself that these new machines  would be
the
type that use touch sensitive controls, rather than good old fashioned
buttons.  And guess what,  I've had to pay out to myself!

The control pannel on the machines is a featureless mass of smooth
plastic.
Even if your fingers had the sensitivity of an exposed root canal
treatment,
I doubt they would be able to detect the buttons on the machine.

I just can't understand what designers of these devices have against
buttons.   Ironically the only button on the machine is the stop button,
which is a huge plastic affair  which you could probably press with your
elbow, let alone your finger.

It seems that more and more these days  buttons  are just not the in
thing.
For example, Apple's new IPhone has a touch sensitive screen rather than
the
traditional phone keypad.  The machines which were slated for use in
electronic voting had touch sensitive controls and now  even  the damn
threadmills can survive without a button in sight .... Or even touch.

Where will it all end?  Even now   somewhere I bet they are designing
shirts
which have coloured dots on the material which you line up in order to
"button"  up your shirt.  The fire alarms  will have a helpful notice
beside
them saying brake glass and move your finger gently over the green circle below. I'll be there, flames licking around my legs, trying to find the
green circle.

Oh for the days  of nice clearly discernable buttons.    The nice big
square
plastic ones,  or those funny shaped squishy rubber ones.   I even had a
remote control once  where the buttons were actually in the shape of the
print numerals!

Its not even  that the  threadmill control pannel is particularly small
or
the display screen needs to be particularly big.    I reckon you could
fit

a
decent size piano keyboard  on to the control pannel.  So I have to
assume
that the only reason these machines are designed in this way is to make
them
look "fancy".
Just another example  of design  for nobody  except those  with a
pathelogical hatred of buttons.

Anyway,  I'll finish up now,  but  if I ever meet one of these anti
button
designers, I'll personally burn their eyes out with a red hot poker and
then make them  use there "fancy" new machines.

Tim


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Critical Path Ireland,
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Dublin 2.
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