[vicsireland] Re: Review of Broadcasting Access Rules
- From: "Ed Harper" <goat@xxxxxx>
- To: <vicsireland@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 11:25:27 -0000
Hi all, Could I also suggest that it would be worthwhile sending any
collected logs of useless responses and also a document setting out the
position and our position to both Richard Boyd Barrett of People Before
Profit/United Left Alliance at the Dail. I know he has an interest in this
area. In addition SF have a relatively enlightened policy, well at least they
pay attention to the equal voting needs of the disabled at elections.
Re the President of UCC and his pathetic anti everybody except his own elite,
which do little more than to point out the lack of intelectual calibre of the
gentleman in question, despite his 232K salary, if there is a body other than
the Union of Students in Ireland, or if there is a section within it, for
disabled students, perhaps somebody could register the outrage we must all feel
at this.
Hope you all had a good Christmas and will have an active new year.
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: GERARD SHANAHAN
To: vicsireland@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 7:54 PM
Subject: [vicsireland] Re: Review of Broadcasting Access Rules
Hi Robbie, If I wasn't disillusioned before now, I'm off the scale as regards
hope. You will have seen my query about the name of the U.C.C. lecturer who
made comments about diverting funding from 3rd level education accessibility to
other more worthwhile able bodied students, so the rot gets worse. The bankers
got away with it during the Celtic tiger and now the broadcasters look like
getting away with disregarding the entitlements of people with disabilities by
bamboseling people with the reasons for not doing something. As for Emailing
protests/objections, you should be aware that there is such a key on the
computer as a delete key that makes problems disabpear!! click! Whoosh!
problem solved, I might add, In a recent experience with the H.S.E.
communications can get lost in the ether or systems facilities inadvertantly
don't work. So What to do? B.A.I. for the review of documentation and if
there are access issues it's comreg, and log responses from R.T.E. a 3 prong
approach I must speak to Pat again, thanks Gerry
----- Original Message -----
From: RobbieS
To: vicsireland@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 1:51 PM
Subject: [vicsireland] Re: Review of Broadcasting Access Rules
Hi Gerry,
Two proverbs come to mind:
t's good we're trying different ways to skin a cat. &
By their (RTÉ's) fruits, ye shall know them.
RTÉ admit they have broken the law regarding the 1% tartget by the 2006
Sectoral Plan; what worries me, is that their excuse for this shows that they
are not suitably put out by this and that we can expect more such from them in
future. Lets hope this new BAI process is more than just a can-kicking
exercise.
2. In setting ou the spec for saorview, RTÉ ignored the needs of vips.
Now, they claim changing the spec would be too expensive - all because of their
original neglect: this denial of equal service is, of course, against 2005
Disability Act and Dept. of Communiunications Sectoral Plan (2006).
I've found the email adderss of someone in Monaghan through which complaint
about this can be made (Comreg); I'll have more time to fish it out, have a go,
and post it here during the Christmas.
Having said that, the person who has done most work on this for BLA has
been Pat McCarthy, and perhaps, a swopping of recipes would be useful. Pat has
kindly allowed me to put his number here: 086-2714307.
I'm sure, he's amenable to giving and accepting advice to or from anyone
interested in any facet of the RTÉ thing. He's really covered them all.
Regards,
Robbie
Also, anyone who reads Sections 53-54 will se that thse sections seem to
supercede Sectoral Plans, and RTÉ have ignored the lot.
You can bring a horse to water....
Robbie
On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 12:23 AM, RobbieS <robbiesin@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Gerry,
Sorry to be so brief but I don't have the time to research tat the
moment.
I have given hapter and verse to RTÉ in my complaints against thejm (for
what it's worth).
Apart from the usual 26-38 of the Disability Act, there is also, specific
to RTÉ and other broadcasters, sections 53 and 54 of the same Act which apply
specifically to Public Sector Broadcasters.
Either way, it is obvious - and RTÉ have admitted so - that RTÉ are in
breech of the Sectoral Plans to date [which I have read in full + updates] -
but they seem to think that only those with money behind them matter.
Are they right?
Robbie
On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 11:29 PM, Gerry Ellis
<gerry.ellis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi,
What legal obligations? RTE neither make settop boxes nor did they set
down the specifications for settop boxes. RTE-NL set down the specs based on an
international set of requirements, but this is separate from RTE.
If you have some legal details that would help in pursuing this issue I
would love to hear about them as they may add some leverage.
Take care,
Gerry ellis
If you don’t know where you’re going,
How will you know when you get there?
From: vicsireland-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:vicsireland-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of RobbieS
Sent: 17 December 2011 16:55
To: vicsireland@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [vicsireland] Re: Review of Broadcasting Access Rules
For the record, all credit to Pat McCarthy of the Blind Legal Alliance
for getting the BAI to at least go through these motions.
then, true to form in such matters, they wouldn't even inform him that
they'd acceeded to his demand/request.
RTÉ have put two fingers up to the Disability Act 2005 where vips are
concerned.
For instance, they claim that:
a). it's not parctical in terms of cost at this late stage to have an
accessible set-top box. Their neglect of the matter in the first place has led
to this situation, but there will probably be no accountability for this
flagrant breech ot their legal obligations.
Also, RTÉ claim that they couldn't meet the niggardly 1% target for
audio-description because they couldn't find companies in ireland to do it - as
if they couldn't do an in-house job if they were really serious about it.
Come to think of it, wouldn't an in-house job be cheeper, with no
tendering process or profit-margin required?
Up the BLA,
Robbie
On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 4:45 PM, GERARD SHANAHAN <gershan@xxxxxx> wrote:
Mark, I'm so disappointed, talk about splitting hairsIt reminds me of a
friend who hired a prosperous electrical contractor to fit a door bell: 1
supervisor, 1 bell fitter and 2 men to put in 12 feet of electrical cable and
connect the bell to the bell push.....No wonder nothing gets done in this
country Comre, BAI, R.T.E. NETWORKS, SOARVIEW, EVERYONE IS DOING SOMETHING BUT
NO ONE TAKES RESPONSIBILITY FOR NICHE PROBLEM SOLVING. Shouldn't we send a
submission to comreg on accessibility of technology...This could turn into a
debate and the digital change over will have taken place before we even get an
acknowledgement of submission. regards confounded, confused and deluded Gerry
----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Magennis"
<Mark.magennis@xxxxxxx>
To: <vicsireland@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 10:21 AM
Subject: [vicsireland] Re: Review of Broadcasting Access Rules
Gerry,
Set top boxes are not covered by the access rules. The Access Rules
only cover content access services - audio description, subtitling, and sign
language. In fact, the BAI itself is only concerned with television content.
Technical aspects of broadcasting and networks are under the remit of ComReg.
Mark
On 14 Dec 2011, at 21:41, GERARD SHANAHAN wrote:
Gerry, B.A.I. have provided documentation on access for consultation
on www.bai.ie/?page_id=2006 I've just downloaded them but haven't read them yet
maybe other people should have a look and make submissions before closing date.
Do you know if the topic of accessible set top boxes is within the parameters?
Gerry
----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerry Ellis"
<gerry.ellis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <vicsireland@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 8:47 PM
Subject: [vicsireland] Review of Broadcasting Access Rules
Hi,
These Access Rules are set by the Broadcasting Authority of Ireland,
but are
given statutory strength through the Sectoral Plans of the Disability
Act.
The old plans required 2% of Audio Description and 2% of Subtitling, but
neither of these targets were met.
I think it would be great if VICS made a submission on the review
either by
itself or as part of the TV Access group.
I would suggest that reference to the 21st Century Communications and
Video
Accessibility Act from the United States would be helpful as it has far
more
ambitious targets than anything that is likely to come from the BAI
itself.
See details of the call for submissions at:
http://www.emara.org/news/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=7054
Take care,
Gerry ellis
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