(VICT) Re: Task ideas- Feedback?
- From: "DIANNE B. PHELPS AND PRIMROSE" <d.bphelps@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 20:38:32 -0700
Diane,
Don't you think, however, that most people who become good handlers learn to
think outside of that box by the nature of experiencing life and, of course,
by learning from other top notch handlers?
I feel that so many things with my dogs have been the result of my own
common sense working upon what we were told in the box, and in many ways, my
dogs, for example, become more easily voice controlled than correction
controlled, something I was doing way before positive reinforcement and
clicker techniques. I may have started with corrections to show the dogs
what I wanted, but as they understood, just a simple voice command or
simple, "No" solves most situations.
Even in talking about handling their tails, though I haven't used a command,
my dogs have learned from my touch what I mean and help with the maneuver. I
kind of believe that these things aren't tought us in training, we have
either come to these conclusions on our own or our methods have been learned
from someone else who drew the conclusion
The other Dianne with 2 n's and Primrose
----- Original Message -----
From: "Diane & Raven" <dlshotwell2@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 6:26 PM
Subject: (VICT) Re: Task ideas- Feedback?
> Shelia wrote: I think a couple of
> the schools still really discourage clients to think much outside the
> box, when being creative is sometimes so essential to solving work
> related or behavior problems.<<
> ah, this is one of my soap box issues. Especially with organizations that
> use positive reinforcement. I think it would be so much more helpful and
> effective to supply the recipient with some material and instruction
> before the pairing with the dog. I think this would help with the initial
> communications (dog and trainer) and give the recipient some learning
> theory and principal that are not in time of pressure and stress of the
> partnering.
>
> I also understand why the schools do not encourage creativity and thinking
> out of the box. It is the same reason most schools do not encourage it...
> The volume of dog (children) that have to processed and moved through the
> system the resources and time available and many other factors makes it
> more efficient and cost effective to keep everyone in the
> box...smile..sigh...
>
> That is why I was so excited about GDB's decision to step out of the box
> that has been used for almost a century to give positive reinforcement a
> chance. I was so excited I called and wrote to express my feelings and
> applaud their efforts and success.
>
> I agree that if more of the skills used in teaching the dogs were shared
> with the recipients the regular life situations that occur would not be as
> challenging.
>
> JMHO...
>
>
> Best Wishes & Wags,
> Diane & Raven
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> ~D.L.Shotwell
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> ~Anatole France
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