(VICT) Re: Task ideas- Feedback?
- From: "DIANNE B. PHELPS AND PRIMROSE" <d.bphelps@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 14:00:29 -0700
Sheila,
I don't think I have ever taught this as a specific task, but tend to help
my dog tuck the tail when on a bus so she doesn't get stepped on. I use it
when closing the door to a car, and I guide their tail when sitting down on
a couch behind a coffee table where there are things on the table which
could be swished off. It is like they don't always know that their tails can
cause them trouble. I think in this case, the suggestion is to teach this as
a commanded behavior.
I know you have done these things too. It is just that those of us who have
just done these things, don't always think of it as a learned skill for our
dogs, and I find when I see some of the things taught as skills or
behaviors, I have to stop and think about the behaviors as things I have
just done, but in a different way. Now, people are able to give words to
these things where we learned by trial and error how to keep our dogs from
causing themselves trouble.
I find it interesting how some of the newer training methods do address
things we used our hands to do or placed our dogs to do without giving words
to what we were doing. We are more experienced humans learning new tricks to
help our dogs know what we need.
Dianne and Primrose
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sheila Styron
" <sheilastyron@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 8:22 PM
Subject: (VICT) Re: Task ideas- Feedback?
> This list is so good for me. I am on an emotional wave length with all
> of you, but it's like I am an illiterate author or something. Now please
> explain to me why tail tucking is a desirable or useful behavior.
>
> Sheila Styron, President
> Guide Dog Users, Inc.
> 816-363-3172
> sheilastyron@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:vi-clicker-trainers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Diane &
> Raven
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 7:55 PM
> To: vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: (VICT) Re: Task ideas- Feedback?
>
>
> There is a work book, and a set of DVD's for teaching assistance dog
> behaviors, by different authors. The DVD's are pricey, the workbook is
> on Karen Pryor's site.
> There is are yahoo discussion groups where there are behavior teaching
> shared. OC-Assist-Dogs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx assistance-dogs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> tasktraining_Assistance-Dogs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and of course my group and
> my website will have some teaching details and video for task teaching.
>
> these are general sites and not focused on guide behaviors so you may
> have to wade through many posts while you wait for an answer you are
> looking for. My group is not yet that large but is not total focus on
> behaviors and there is a lot of other discussions that go on there.
>
> I think this group is great for guide information and very helpful
> information. My personal thoughts are that there are every experienced
> people here that can help or will find the information needed.
>
> I have been searching for the tail tuck information I promised and was
> unable to find it in my files. this is how I would teach it.... if you
> use the clicker principals of breaking any behavior into the smallest
> pieces before teaching. Than you take those tiny pieces and teach each
> one so that the piece is solid and reliable before moving on to the next
> piece of the behavior so that you have a strong foundation.
> Back-chaining is the process of teaching the end of the behavior first
> and moving to the beginning of the behavior. this sets the dog up for
> success because the dog always knows what comes next.
>
> the process isn't mystical, the magic is in the patience, frequency of
> marking and rewarding, timing and generosity with marking and rewarding
> when building a behavior. And also not lumping... Lumping is the term
> used when you take too big of a piece or pieces of the behavior.
> lumping happens from inexperience and sometimes excitement at well and
> quickly the dog responds and so the handler tries to move ahead too
> quickly too fast.
>
> I am firm believer in teaching journals (thus: AssistanceDogJournal.net)
> because they help with learning for us and the dog and to review to see
> the progress you are making and the concerns. Also owner-trainers
> should always have a journal a detailed record of all teaching the dog
> receives and tasks taught.
>
> Oh, my I do go on some times,sorry.
>
> Best Wishes & Wags,
> Diane & Raven
> APDT#72225
> http://AssistanceDogJournal.net
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Golden_Paw_ADC/
> "My Assistance Dog is not my whole life, but she makes my life whole"
> ~D.L.Shotwell "Until one has loved an animal, a part of one's soul
> remains unawakened." ~Anatole France
>
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