Valerie, About that V shaped handle... does it attach to the harness at just one place? instead of two like the typical handle? It seems like that would be incredibly wobbly. I've seen harnesses and handles like that for sighted people to walk their unruly dogs. I use a 14 inch handle, but it attaches on the top of the shoulder, like the British style. The handle grip comes to her hips when lying flat on her back. I think handle style and length depends on how tall the person is, how tall the dog is, how fast their pace is, where the person likes to work in relation to their dog, how comfortable the handle is to hold and how much information the handle transmits to the handler. All those variables lead to a lot of choices in handles. *smile* Julie http://www.livingblind.com/eml Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. Dr. Seuss ----- Original Message ----- From: "Valerie" <rosetta@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 7:43 AM Subject: (VICT) Re: More on handle harnesses > Hi Shelley, the handle length I have at present is 24 inches, I'm 5ft 6". > If > the handle lies flat on his back in the down position, the handle end > where > you grasp will be just past where his tail begins, so that's the walking > spot for me when working with him. Another school requires that the > handler > walk up near the front shoulder position. > We just saw another type harness handle, Europe, I think. There was a > short > piece on TV this evening, and this handle was more a v shaped handle that > pivoted at the v point, attaching to the harness between the dog's > shoulders. The handle seemed so free moving and rather strange. I'm still > trying to work out how it would feel being so flexible in movement from > side > to side. > Regards Valerie > > > >