mine places me right at judson's hip. And that works for us. He is a Very long dog. We are the same height though, smile. My school is going to be using a new style that looks kind of like the European style, but not as free moving, at least i didn't notice a lot of free movement in them. But our old style is the one with the harness handle going through the stabilizer loops on the side of the harness and clipping to the side of the dog near his shoulders. Shelley L. Rhodes B.S. Ed, CTVI and Judson, guiding golden juddysbuddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx Guide Dogs For the Blind Inc. Graduate Alumni Association Board www.guidedogs.com Dog ownership is like a rainbow. Puppies are the joy at one end. Old dogs are the treasure at the other. Carolyn Alexander ----- Original Message ----- From: "Valerie" <rosetta@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 8:43 AM Subject: (VICT) Re: More on handle harnesses Hi Shelley, the handle length I have at present is 24 inches, I'm 5ft 6". If the handle lies flat on his back in the down position, the handle end where you grasp will be just past where his tail begins, so that's the walking spot for me when working with him. Another school requires that the handler walk up near the front shoulder position. We just saw another type harness handle, Europe, I think. There was a short piece on TV this evening, and this handle was more a v shaped handle that pivoted at the v point, attaching to the harness between the dog's shoulders. The handle seemed so free moving and rather strange. I'm still trying to work out how it would feel being so flexible in movement from side to side. Regards Valerie -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.18/734 - Release Date: 3/26/2007 2:31 PM