(VICT) Re: Hello, food question
- From: "marthaharris" <latinanewschic@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 16:10:28 -0400
Hi Kitty,
Thanks for the suggestions. Valerie will take food from my hand, or from
anywhere else she can get it; that's the problem. Earlier, she ate a piece
of grass, and she tried to eat a headphone cover and a rubberband. Leave it
works sometimes, so I think I will stay with leave it. What guide dog school
did you go to, or did you owner train?
Thanks,
Martha
----- Original Message -----
From: "kitty hevener" <khevener@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 9:33 AM
Subject: (VICT) Re: Hello, food question
> Hi Martha, congratulations on getting your first guide dog. My first
> guide
> dog and I have been together for a little over six years. Leash
> corections
> never worked for me either, despite what the school said. I see several
> options for you and will share some below. Please know though that these
> options may not be a cure all. My girs is an opportunist and is
> extrememly
> fast. Her speed at grabbing something she should not have has surprised
> many sighted people.
>
> option 1. If she has a long history of the "leave it" command being
> meaningless to her, you may need to come up with another cue and reteach
> it.
> To start the process, I would hold a low value treat in my fist.
> Hopefully
> she will try to get it from you. As soon as she stops click and treat.
> Do
> this a few time before introducing the word cue. I treat with something
> of
> higher value than what is in my hand. When she masters this stepl I would
> do the same thing, but have your hand a little more open. As she mastes
> this, you might try increasing the value of the treat she is supposed to
> leave. You may need to initially go back to the closed fist just to
> insure
> success. I think this is especially important if you can't see what she
> is
> about to do. You can eventually move from your hand to putting low value,
> then incresingly higher value treat on floor. Be ready to put your hand
> or
> foot on it to keep her from getting it if necessary.
>
> Btw, if your dog refuses to take treats or food from your hand, then you
> will need to teach her to do this first. I used "take it" as my cue.
>
> option 2. Redirect the dog. Your dog can only do what you ask if she is
> paying attention to you. Many sighted people get their dog focused on
> them
> by using words such as watch, look, etc. I use touch. This means that my
> dog will touch me with her face, nose, or mouth. I always reward this
> command. The other day, I was in a situation where some crackers were
> left
> on restaurant floor. Before I even knew they were there, old hover went
> in
> to action! She was so focused that "leave it" must have meant "keep on
> eating". I switched to "touch". She did and I treated. I initially
> thought she had responded to touch because she had eaten all the crackers.
> But, my friend told me there were still some under her nose. I then used
> the remaining crackers as an opportunity to work on "leave it". Btw, I
> use
> a gentle leader with my dog. When I started using the remaining crackers
> as
> a teaching opportunity, we were both standing. So, I could feel as soon
> as
> her head started moving down toward the floor and, if necessary, would
> have
> been able to move her head away from the food.
>
> Martha, hope this helps. Am sure others will have ideas for you as well.
> Glad to see your interest in switching to positive methods. oh, one more
> thing I have found. Since my dog, like yours, was trained with the
> traditional training methods, you may find that it takes some time to get
> your dog to respond to the positive methods. Afterall, with the old
> method,
> your dog only knows she has done something wrong if she gets a leash
> correction, ie punishment. Manyclicker trainers comment that "crossover"
> dogs such as ours are hard to switch over. However, it can and does work.
> Having said that, I will be the first to say that my dog isn't perfect. I
> have yet to meet the perfect dog. What I can say is that she is safe, and
> I
> can typically control her through a combination of commands and managing
> the
> environment.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "marthaharris" <latinanewschic@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 6:02 PM
> Subject: (VICT) Hello, food question
>
>
> Hi Everyone,
> My name is Martha, and I am working with my first guide dog Valerie. I
> wanted to try clicker training with her, since corrections aren't very
> helpful. What do you do if your guide goes after food? Valerie tries to
> eat
> food from the cafeteria floor at my school, and leave it and leash
> corrections don't help.
> Thanks,
> Martha
>
>
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