Goldens do interest me. I have been around alot of pet goldens and they seem to be a nice mix of sweetness and toughness. Do you have to put a lot of work in on grooming. I really used to enjoy grooming my collie. It was a relaxing bonding time. After having three surgeries on my right arm for carpal tunnel related injuries, I just don't have the arm and wrist strength to do much of it anymore. It really bothers me if my dog doesn't look neat when we go out. I feel that way about all of my dogs, but a guide should be especially neat and clean. I live in Philly, but I am on the edge in an area that has more of a suburban feel. I am lucky in that reguard. The time commitment is going to be the tough part. Between my job, taking care of the house and all of my dogs, I am kept pretty busy. I am currently working on various clicker exercises with two of my dogs and that is hard to fit in some times. I would really have to rearrange my life a bit to do this. Jill On Fri, 20 Apr 2007, Shelley L. Rhodes wrote: > Quite true Jill. > > I remember when I went off to Guide Dog school, I told them I didn't care > what breed it was, but I really didn't want a lab. Smile. They asked me if > I wanted a golden and my first reaction was "no" because I had met two or > three goldens who were not exactly what I wanted in a guide. One, was so > people distracted she would strangle herself on her choke chain and whine to > see you. The other one would jump all over when she saw you. I know now > that these were just bad guide dog behavior and are things that can be > worked on. > > When they gave me my golden he changed my mind about them. I do love > goldens and would love to have another one as a guide, smile, and maybe some > day to train one for myself as a guide, smile. But at this time in my life > I don't have the time, money or know how, to train a dog for my situation. > I live in one of the suburbs of Boston and would need to train a dog in a > hurry for traffic, subway travel, commuter rail travel, bus travel, lots of > people, lots of other dogs, squirrels, birds, seagulls in particular, > obstacles and a large variety of stimuli. I don't live anywhere near what > would be considered rural or suburban living,nsmile. So am not sure how I > would be able to train for those kind of areas, smile, hwich you would want > to train for before doing the intensive city work, smile. > > > Shelley L. Rhodes B.S. Ed, CTVI > and Judson, guiding golden > juddysbuddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx > Guide Dogs For the Blind Inc. > Graduate Alumni Association Board > www.guidedogs.com > > Dog ownership is like a rainbow. > Puppies are the joy at one end. > Old dogs are the treasure at the other. > Carolyn Alexander > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jill Gross" <jgross@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 2:06 AM > Subject: (VICT) Re: Dog breeds > > > The black Russian terriers are still pretty rare. That's another good > thing about them. It means Americans haven't had a chance to ruin them > yet. A dog breed becoming popular can be the kiss of death for the breed. > I have only seen them at the shows in the last two years or so. They were > only recently recognized by the AKC. > > You really have me going with these Portugese water dogs. I have to look > at them more closely. > > If my salukis will be out for any longer than to relieve in the yard, they > wear coats in winter. They are very hardy, but they are desert dogs. > > Hope you get your rottie one day. It is great when you finally get your > dream dog. I wanted a saluki for so many years, but I forced myself to > wait until I bought a house and had a fenced yard. I had other breeds > while living in apartments, but the salukis had to wait. > > Jill > > > On Wed, 18 Apr 2007, Shelley L. Rhodes wrote: > >> You know, you are absolutely right about the sight hounds and to an extent >> Golden retrievers too, are best motivated by "What's in it for me" or so I >> have found with my guy. he loves to please, but... definitely works at >> his >> best when I offer more than just a :"good boy" and the leash correction >> thing never really gets the desired results. >> >> I have a Friend who uses a Portroguese Water Dog, as a Service dog for >> brace >> and balance work and other tasks. She loves her, and the pup is >> hypoallerginic, very sight hound in temperment, though, and she says she >> has >> to be clipped every six weeks to keep nice. >> >> Would love to see one of those Russian Terrier dogs, smile. >> >> Got to see an American Bull Dog the other day, boy was he huge. Actually >> the right size for guide work. >> >> The Saluki is indeed a truly striking dog, smile. I do wonder, maybe not >> a >> problem where you live, but wouldn't tyou or do you do something to >> protect >> their coats in harsh weather? like here in Boston, it was even too cold >> for >> my golden retriever. >> >> Would love to own a Rottweiler one of these days, smile. >> >> Shelley L. Rhodes B.S. Ed, CTVI >> and Judson, guiding golden >> juddysbuddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx >> Guide Dogs For the Blind Inc. >> Graduate Alumni Association Board >> www.guidedogs.com >> >> Dog ownership is like a rainbow. >> Puppies are the joy at one end. >> Old dogs are the treasure at the other. >> Carolyn Alexander >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jill Gross" <jgross@xxxxxxxxxxxx> >> To: <vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 12:53 AM >> Subject: (VICT) Re: Dog breeds >> >> >> Hi Val, >> The Mareemmas you mentioned sound very interesting. My breed of choice as >> far as dogs that I have as pets and, secondarily, for comformation showing >> are slaukis. I love all of the sighthound breeds. The salukis is generally >> very aloof and have a low food drive. They can be very serious out in >> public, but at home they are clown hounds. I think that positive training >> is just perfect for sighthounds. I used to have collies and German >> shepherds as pets. When I got into salukis, I had to give up all of the >> old, harsher methods of training. Forget a choke collar, and you wouldn't >> dream of giving one a leash correction. Harsh training methods simply >> builds a wall between you and the dog and you are very unlikely to get the >> desired result. >> >> Salukis and other sighthounds often said to be dumb by folks who aren't >> very knowledgable about canine behavior. Sighthounds are highly >> intelligent, but they are very oriented toward what's in it for them. >> Again, clicker training is perfect for them. >> >> So, salukis are my breed of choice in general. I can't imaigne life >> without them in my life. Having said that, I am not necessarily planning >> on training a saluki as a guide. Back in the 1950's, a saluki breeder form >> New York donated a female saluki to the Seeing Eye. She was trained and >> given to David Loux who worked at the school for many years. I contacted >> David about ten years ago and asked questions about his experience with >> her. He said that on a scale of one to ten in working ability, she was a >> twelve. She was fabulous. His only complaint was that she was too serious >> overall as a dog. Needless to say, I often think aobut what David >> said. I have had salukis since 1996. Some have been purchased as pups and >> some have been rescues. Some have had very steady personalities and some >> have been what I consider to be too anxious to handle the stress of guide >> work. >> >> One problem with a salukis is that they are gorgeous, very elegant >> animals. I have had a couple who, when walked in town, have literally >> stopped traffic. I have often had people leaning out of car windows >> yelling questions about my dogs. It can be difficult enough to keep people >> from petting and otherwise distracting a service dog without having them >> be extraordinarily striking. I recall that the Seeing Eye would never use >> white shepherds for that very reason. They drew too much attention. >> >> I have looked at a couple of other breeds. An interesting one is the black >> Russian terrier. The ones I have met are very sound and attentive, >> hard-working dogs. A breeder I know has had a few of her pups trained as >> assistance dogs. My problem with them has to do with all of that hair! I >> have major carpal tunnel issues and extensive grooming is out of the >> question for me. I have a very ahrd time keeping my long-haired shepherd >> looking respectable. A black Russian has a lot of long, heavy coat. They >> also are quite large. I can't quite imagine fitting one of these guys >> under a seat on a bus. >> >> I would be interested to hear if others have worked with any "unusual" >> breeds or mixes. When I was a kid, I was super impressed by >> shepherd/collie mixes. They were bright and eager to learn. Nowadays, I >> would be afraid that they got more of the negatives in the mix simply >> because both breeds have been so overbred in this country. >> >> Jill >> >> >> On Tue, 17 Apr 2007, Valerie wrote: >> >>> Jill, out of interest what is your preferred breed /breeds of dog since >>> doing your research.? Although both my dogs have been food orientated >>> outside the home particularly the lab, apart from a first few days on >>> arrival here, and being very mischievous with wrecking bedding, they are >>> very well behaved indoors. I could leave any food on a table and know it >>> would not be touched, so as far as my two go they are great indoors. >>> I can't remember whether I said one school here is trialling a Maremma >>> cross >>> Retriever, still in training, Mareemma's being the guardian of flocks of >>> animals, sheep, poultry etc. It's said they are rather aloof so >>> distraction >>> wise that may be a good trait smile. >>> Regards Valerie >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Jill Gross" <jgross@xxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> To: <vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 2:57 PM >>> Subject: (VICT) Re: New member and I clicker >>> >>> >>> Jo, I would guess that you probably like the idea of selecting your own >>> dog for training. I think that is the greatest factor for me. I would >>> like >>> to pick my breed based on my research and I would like find a dog witht >>> he >>> personality traits that I like in a service dog. I have always been very >>> disappointed in the very limited number of breeds utilized by most of the >>> guide dog schools. I know many people who have labs as guides and they >>> are >>> thrilled with them. I don't particularly care for them and feel that they >>> have some important traits that decrease there desirability as guides, >>> ie. >>> they are very social and they are extremely food oriented. There are so >>> many fabulous breeds out there and I have have never understood why some >>> of them have never been used by the schools. I know there is a small >>> school that uses vislas and Leader will use the occasional bouvier or >>> boxer. >>> >>> I "untrain" my guides to stop at the up-curb on street crossings. I do >>> most of my travelling in the city where people often drive wrecklessly. I >>> want my butt and my dog's butt in the street as little as possible. I >>> have >>> always been good able knowing where the up-curbs are, so I find it safer >>> for us to get out of the street quickly. I have always trained my dogs to >>> do other things, some that are practical and some that are fun. I have >>> also found that the dogs that are trained by the schools tend to be >>> unruly >>> in the house. I have had to do significant in-home training with all but >>> one of my dogs. I have often wondered how the nondog person who gets a >>> guide handles a guide who wrecks their house. >>> >>> Jill >>> >>> >>> On Sun, 15 Apr 2007, Jo Clayson wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> What would you like to do with your dog that the dogs in schools are not >>>> trained for? >>>> >>>> Interesting question. I've never had a dog from a school, and though I >>>> know >>>> a few people personally that have, I'm not really familiar with >>>> specifically >>>> what behaviors are taught, or not taught. >>>> >>>> Things I teach my dogs: >>>> Tricks: shake hands, roll over, choosing the correct hand in response to >>>> a >>>> question, speak, etc. Both my dogs and I have fun with these. >>>> Teaching >>>> a >>>> trick is a good way for me to try out a different training method....if >>>> I >>>> really goof up and my dog doesn't do a perfect "play dead" it's not >>>> potentially life threatening for me or my dog. Also, if my dog has been >>>> distracted and needs to focus back on me, tricks are often a good way to >>>> get >>>> that focus back. Simply because they are tricks and fun, there isn't >>>> the >>>> tension in my voice that so easily communicates to my dog, like when I >>>> might >>>> tell her to "leave it" , "quiet" or "sit". A dog that does a few tricks >>>> can >>>> also delight other people, and help those who are hesitant or a bit >>>> fearful >>>> around dogs. >>>> >>>> Search & rescue: though we are not part of a search team, I want my dogs >>>> and >>>> I to be able to work together in this way. I live on 29 acres of land in >>>> a >>>> rather remote area with thousands of acres of undeveloped land adjacent. >>>> Should a guest here, or a hunter get lost, or should I be injured and >>>> folks >>>> are looking for me, I want my dogs to be able to assist in the initial >>>> search. >>>> >>>> Agility - we don't compete, but do this at home for fun, physical >>>> conditioning, and for building teamwork, self-control, and physical >>>> skills. >>>> >>>> "go to the bathroom" - take me to a public restroom . For a dog with a >>>> keen >>>> sense of smell, this seems to be a fairly easy task. >>>> >>>> Find my stuff: When we are away from home I may have a duffle bag, >>>> back >>>> pack, jacket , bucket of tools, etc that I set down. Usually I know >>>> where >>>> they are, but sometimes I forget, or am "bleary brained" with chemical >>>> exposure and it's handy to have my dog take me to my stuff. >>>> >>>> Go to the car: as I don't drive, and ride with many different people, >>>> and >>>> some of the families have more than one vehicle, I sometimes can't >>>> remember >>>> what vehicle I'm looking for or where it is parked. Kita does fairly >>>> well >>>> already in small parking lots. Zoomer could even find the vehicle in a >>>> very >>>> large lot. It's also been handy for the driver a few times who forgot >>>> where >>>> they parked! >>>> >>>> There are probably others. Often my dogs have figured out something on >>>> their own that is helpful to me, so I reward and encourage it. >>>> >>>> Jo >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > >