hi Karyn, I removed the handle and it was better but I think what happened was I normally put his harness on before we take our walk in the morning and that day I didn't put it on till after he ate his breakfast. he was laying on the couch and he thought that we were going to stay in......he went to daycare the day before and I had a couple of Dr. appointments. I think he was tired. I made sure his harness/vest was fitting him ok but today I took off the handle. I didn't put it back on till we were ready to leave. I should take it off now that we have some down time. there I took it off now. he doesn't seem to act any different. I normally put the whole harness on and he usually doesn't have a problem with it. it might just be the longer handle. it does lay and attach a little different. it does lay more farther back on his back so it might just be a matter of him getting used to it. he walks fine with the handle on not like he does with a standard guide harness on. he doesn't even want to take a step with the standard guide harness. I ordered one of those tugs with the opening for treats. I am hoping that he and I will be able to use it as a tool for retrieve. where I go for lunch they keep treats for Clyde behind the bar. one person that works there will put a treat in a baggie and give the baggie to Clyde and he will bring it to me to give him the treat out of it. I hope this will help him to learn retrieve. Ridge and Clyde ----- Original Message ----- From: Karyn and Thane<mailto:bcpaws4me@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: Vi-clicker<mailto:vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 8:12 PM Subject: (VICT) Clyde [was Learning from Thane] Hi Ridge I find with Thane that usually when he is being difficult one of three things has taken place 1) his harness is not fitting the same- be it weight loss or gain or even a new harness 2) Its a different handle which he has to get used to how it works and that is hard work (for both of us) 3) We have been doing too much and he just needs us to take a bit of a break With a new harness, it might not feel the same. His old one was melded well to him- not as stiff as new harnesses are. I'd make sure nothing with it is fitting differently. The longer handle could be troublesome to him though it works better for you. It may add pressure in places on him via the harness that is bothersome or it may just be getting used to it all. It took a while before Thane really accepted the entire harness. I'm not sure how you put it on, but if you are working it in british style that handle can be quite cumbersome to his gait until its in your hand. If you put it on as one unit, maybe try doing so as two separate parts. I put on his harness portion, then we collect all the garbage and I put on the handle and his leash right at the door as we are headed out. It may just be that he needed a day off, but if not maybe something here might be beneficial for you. Karyn and Thane