[triadtechtalk] Re: New Computer/ Win7 Upgrade

Ok Brian, ..things to remember, I've not had one bit of schooling on any of
this. That alone says you CAN do it? Not trying to talk you into it, I'm
more trying to remove your 'fear' of doing it>
When someone says to me 'wow you know a lot about PCs" I usually tell my
biggest claim to fame is I've already made all the mistakes they're afraid
to make?:)))

For the record, and this may not be by-the-book best description..DriveSpace
was way they used to compact the data on a drive so it used less
space....kind of like making your data sit in a 'zip' folder, until
needed......kinda sorta..
And 'sys the drive means...In dos you could 'sys a drive to put the dos
system files copied to the drive. That way any commands you typed would
execute. When I 'sys'ed the drive' on that Pc, then booted with the dos
install disks, they saw the dos files now sitting on that drive. Since it
was an upgrade version, and it saw the dos files sitting on the drive now,
it would install just fine... In essence all I had to do once I got to the
Dos c:\ prompt was type the dos command 'sys c:\' 
Pretty simple, but when you've never had to do anything like that, And no
one living in my area (New Hampshire at the time) it took a couple nights
for me to figure that out. I'd used a 'Mac' like computer in my previous
job, Even figured out how to write simple programs in MacBasic on that
system... I say Mac like because it looked like a Mac and it was called
MacSym..or something to that effect, the older old timers here might
remember it... Ok I mean older PC-wise. I'm probably one of the older people
on this list....:))))
Ok this is getting wordy, I HATE that, but I do it constantly. I LOVE
teaching newbies new stuff.:)) All I'm saying is don't let your fears hold
you back....Follow a few simple rules and you'll be safe...And this list is
always here if you need us.
I have a fre3ind from Kodak that ordered a kit from TigerDirect based on my
recommendation...What I didn't' realize is the system wasn't pre-assembled?
YIKES...This guy had the system all put together and ready to power
up...Once he mentioned he'd put it together last night, I flipped!!:)))) 
INSTANT phone call.... before he hit the power button.:)))) Good thing I
did, he'd put it together without using the standoffs that hold the
motherboard off the back side of the case?!?!? OUCH... He said He wondered
why it seemed to fit so weird in the case? Fortunately he didn't crack the
board by tightening it down without the standoffs. (Standoffs are small 1/4
inch or so metal, usually brass, posts' you screw the post into the case. In
alignment with the holes in the motherboard. Then you screw the motherboard
screws into the top of the posts.)  So he rips it all back off.. inserts the
standoffs and he's good to go... those little basics are all that's needed.
PCs today are nothing like they used to be.. Jumpers used to be done with
DIP switches? Want a nightmare....my 1st Reveal CDROM had markings on the
top of it to show how to set the DIP switches..there were 6 of them with 4
numbers on each switch, you set the numbers on each switch to match a
corresponding memory address? Yep, it didn't work.. then there was another
diagram of those DIP settings in the manual, And still another diagram on a
piece of paper in the box, saying this supersedes the manual? And NOPE, none
of those setting worked at all...Took me almost a whole afternoon of trying
every combo of those switch settings to finally get it to work.:))) Now
days? You might have to change a jumper from 1 to 3 places? BIIIIIG
difference. And if you go SATA, there's no jumpers at all. Plus you can't
plug any of the plugs in backwards any more... ok, an IDE cable could be put
in backwards , but that won't hurt a thing on the drive.

So all this all says is don't let it scare you. It's really not as hard as
it looks. Especially with the newer systems. You might wind up with driver
issues, but even that is coming to a slow down . MS takes a lot of heat, but
they've also done a lot of things right and the drivers generally get better
and better..
If you're still nervous, maybe buying a prebuilt system, is the way to go,
then when you can scrape up the cash to 'play' take that older system apart
and see how it's put together... then put it back together and boot it
up...That will give you some hands on experience building a system/
Just some thoughts....

Take care,
Bruce



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Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 5:02 PM
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Subject: [triadtechtalk] Re: New Computer/ Win7 Upgrade

Bruce,

Thanks for your comments and it great to know of the great experience 
you have accumulated learning about the ins and outs of computer operation.

I would love to build my new system like you have done, but.......
when I read about this mother board not connection to this..., and be 
sure to get this type of ... or it wont work with...
it reminds me of how my luck normally goes, " If in can go wrong it 
will!" It sounds like you have a little bit on the same luck I have, but 
have the knowledge to work around it!

I have installed ram, a new power supply, an internal and external HDD, 
and a CD Rom 2 or 3 times.
But when I installed the first HDD and a replaced my Super disk had a 
real time because of not knowing about the jumpers, the primary and 
secondary designation and the like. luckily I finally got it right.

Your episode with eMachines sounds like what happened to me with my very 
first computer when I knew nothing about computers, (Before the I found 
the TTT  and learned something!) and after a year of working with tech 
service they finally said the entire computer was junk all along and 
finally replaced it. It made me very apprehensive about the 
dependability of computer is general.

And the learning keeps going on and on...for example, when you speak of 
these I am not sure what it meas:
"DriveSpaced to look like a giant 30 meg drive?'"
"I could actually sys the driveBruce"

So I had tentatively decided to purchase at least the main desktop 
computer in a stare that it would be ready and I could add or replace 
other items as needed. That way if I did happen to get a unit that 
wouldn't work right I could hopefully get a replacement.

Howard, maybe with your day in and day out working with old and new 
systems you could give us some of you wisdom about this matter.

BRIAN
**************

Eddy wrote:

Hi Brian,
> I haven't ever owned only 1 prebuilt system in my life?:)) I've built
every
> system I've owned except the 1st one...That was an oooooold IBM case with
a
> 286/12 CPU, a half meg of ram and a half meg video card. Also had a 20 meg
> hard drive, DriveSpaced to look like a giant 30 meg drive?:))) Running
> windows3.1.....It was given to me by one of my kids' boyfriend at the
time..
> Within the 2nd week I wound up messing it up completely....formatted the
> drive...that's when I found out the true meaning of the term
> 'upgrade=version?:))) Dos 6.22 wouldn't install because it was an upgrade
> ...Took me 2 nights to figure out if I bypassed the install and got to a
dos
> prompt in the setup, I could actually sys the drive...THEN it would
install
> just fine...That's pretty much got me hooked on the internal workings of
PCs
> and Windows in general..
> Anywho..
> As for systems I'd recommend..I won't really recommend anything...there's
> good And bad in every brand you get. Sometimes it's the system, sometimes
> it's the user...sometimes it's a combination of both...
> My daughter's father in law. Had an emachine.. ran it for several years
> worked extremely well. One of my clients also had a much newer Emachine
that
> didn't work so swell...to the point we sent it back because the HD kept
> losing data..not just bits and pieces the whole drive would wipe out. Sent
> it back to Emachines...they sent it back to me.. I did 1 boot up..
installed
> some windows updates.. on the 2nd boot up.. 'No operating system found'
> error?:))) I had to do  clean install all over again. ..3 months later it
> happened to the guy again. This time, he bought an HP or whatever it was
and
> gave me the dead system...I played with it, finally found out the SATA
drive
> cable to the mother board was funky. It's one of those cables with the
clip
> on the end instead of just the normal push-type. I flipped it around so
the
> lip end was on the motherboard. Ran that for 2 months with no issues at
all.
> Sold it for $150 after telling the new owner what the original issue was.
> That was over 3 years ago? The point is, the original owner now thinks
> eMachine is a terrible system. The new owner now thinks eMachines are
> super?:)))
>
> As for Win7, I'm not real sold on some of the layout changes, like the way
> they now do the Quick Launch.....doesn't mean it's bad, it's just a matter
> of getting used to it. Some of the hardest 'selling' points of vista/win7
is
> they made XP too good and it's been running too long. XP people looking
for
> add/remove programs will be scratching their heads a lot. 
> For me it still boils down to no compelling reason to upgrade. Aside from
it
> runs better and maybe some security side issues. I'll have 2 laptops and 2
> systems here running win 7 . but if I had to pay full prices for those
> upgrades odds are hi I'd only have 2 of them running.
>
> Oh yeah, as for buying local or online... that's a toughie. One of my
> clients bought an HP laptop online thru eBay, runs real strong runs great
> good deal...He had one issue on OOBE when he 1st got it, called the eBay
> store owner and got a quick work around. No problems since. That was about
4
> or 5 months ago. Me, I bought an Acer low power laptop from Wal-Mart early
> this spring also with no issues at all. A couple months after that I sold
> that laptop to my daughter and bought a Toshiba higher powered laptop from
> Bestbuy. Within the 1st week it froze up completely 4 times. I did a
> recovery back to day 1..then it happened again in the 2nd week and I took
it
> back and got a replacement instantly. That system hasn't had any issues at
> all ....so far.
>
> You make the call on that one.:)))))
>
> HTH
> Bruce
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: triadtechtalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:triadtechtalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of brian
> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 10:27 PM
> To: triadtechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [triadtechtalk] New Computer/ Win7 Upgrage
>
> Bruce,
>
> Ok, thanks for checking in; glad you are still out there and can offer a
> helping hand.
>
> I remember you were one of the group who switched to Vista and made it
work.
> That experience should help other who have problems with Win7.
>
> The first thing I would like to get some feed back on, is the pros and
cons
> of buying a local computer or on off the internet.
>
> What have been your experiences?
>
> What are your recommendations?
>
> If I get one local it would sure help is I have trouble with it, but it
> seems that with an on line purchase a person can get the items that one
> really wants in the computer.
>
> What have you done in the past and how has it worked out?
>
> BRIAN
>
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