[tri-med] Re: Public Health Care Alert in UK

Dick Morris should be concerned about his colon, since he pulls so many "facts" 
out of his hind quarters.  
Pretty easy to debunk Dick's assertions:

http://takingnote.tcf.org/2009/06/truth-squadding-dick-morris-the-death-of-american-health-care.html

Here's something that shows the US ranks the lowest among the industrialized 
nations in preventable deaths:

http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSN07651650

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/12/opinion/12sun1.html

A World Health Organization 2000 study ranked the US 37th in the world in terms 
of health systems.  

In terms of caring for more people, I guess the solution then would be forget 
that 50 million until we have more doctors?  I thought a major point was that 
we shouldn't be rationing health care.  Then what about those people?  

In terms of wait times, there are huge wait times in the US as well, and 
sometimes longer.  Here is something I found pretty quickly (just by looking):

"More than 75% of patients requiring cancer radiation treatment received
that treatment within 28 days of being ready to treat. Let me give you
a comparison here â?? my dad was diagnosed with melanoma in November. If
he had been diagnosed in Canada, there is a better than 75% chance that
treatment of that cancer would have started before Christmas. Here in
the U.S., a guy with the kind of health insurance he has (read:
excellent) should have been treated well within that time frame, right?
His actual date of treatment: April 15. Thatâ??s right, here in the US,
where we supposedly donâ??t have the nasty wait times brought on by
nationalized health care, he waited four months longer for treatment
than he would have waited in Canada."
http://notmymothersblog.com/2009/04/24/the-myth-of-canadian-health-care-wait-times/

In terms of Pres. Obama's supposed lack of bipartisanship, every speech I've 
heard him give on the topic he has said there needs to be bipartisanship.  In 
fact, he has caught a lot of flack from Democrats and others for being too 
bipartisan.   Senator Baucus, Chair of the Senate Finance Committee, has said 
he want bipartisanship (again catching a lot of criticism).  So, I am not sure 
what this assertion is based on.  

Furthermore, when Pres. Bush was re-elected (by the narrowest of margins), he 
asserted that he had political capital.  Pres. Obama was elected by a much 
larger margin, as were Democrats in general (giving them a 60 seat majority in 
the Senate).  That's a lot more political capital than the previous president.  
Coupled with the national polls wanting health care reform, that's pretty much 
a mandate.  Beats me why there needs to be "bipartisanship" on the issue.  And, 
there is no need for 60 votes in the Senate.  That's just to prevent a 
filibuster, not to pass legislation.  Legislation can be passed with a simple 
majority.  

Gary





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From: Mark & Jayne Wright <jm.wright@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: tri-med <tri-med@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 7:41:42 PM
Subject: [tri-med] Re: Public Health Care Alert in UK

President Obama has cynically decided to ram through the complex health care 
legislation in two weeks, without debate or amendment.  He is going to give up 
the attempt to win sixty votes in the Senate and will use the budget 
reconciliation procedure - which is only used for budget bills - to push it 
through with fifty votes.
His plan would:

.  Force employers either to offer health insurance to their employees or pay a 
tax of 8% of their payrolls. This would apply to all with payrolls of $250,000 
a year or more (basically every business)

      .  Reduce medical fees to the Medicare Schedule Plus 5%, driving doctors 
out of the profession and increasing the need for rationing.

      .  Raise taxes on all making more than $250,000 a year ($350,000 for a 
couple) with a surcharge.  Rates will go as high as 45%.

      .  Set up a government owned health care plan to compete with private 
plans. Getting a subsidy, it will soon put the private plans out of business 
and we will have a single payer Canadian style system. 


In Catastrophe, we enumerate the disaster of the Canadian health care system.  
A cancer death rate 16% higher than in the US.  A colon cancer rate 25% higher 
due to waits for colonoscopies and a death rate once afflicted that is 41% as 
opposed to 32% in the US.  An eight week wait for cancer radiation therapy.

"How can Obama care for fifty million new people without more doctors?  By 
cutting access to care for the elderly.  End Medicare as we know it. The 
government decides who gets hip, knee, or heart surgery.  Eight month wait for 
colonoscopies.  In Canada, an eight week wait for cancer radiation.  



This is from Dick Morris (who used to work under former Pres. Bill Clinton -D) 
and is against this health plan.  Dick Morris is leaning to the conservative 
side more these days.

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