Based strictly on the pics available on MPG, the markings on Sonia paraplesiana don't appear to match my moth. Ken Childs Henderson, TN Chester County http://tinyurl.com/Kens-Moths-2011 ________________________________ From: Hugh McGuinness <hdmcguinness@xxxxxxxxx> To: ncsc-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Cc: TN Moths <tn-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 8:59 AM Subject: [tn-moths] Re: [ncsc-moths] Range info on a couple of Torts Hey ALl you Leppers! Ken, why isn't your Tort Sonia paraplesiana? (NB: there has been confusion between this and constrictana, but the current understanding of the latter taxon is that it is restricted to the Gulf Coast.) [To everyone] And BTW do you have Gilligan et al.'s "Olethruetine Moths of teh mid-western United States"? If you are going to try to ID Torts without using a museum collection (i.e., by photo), then this guide is a must. It will set you back about $90, but it is well worth it, and you will probably dog-ear so badly within a season or two that you will have to buy a second copy. Seriously, for all the TN and western NC moth-ers, it will probably cover close to 100% of the Olethreutines you will find, and for east coasters about 80%. MPG still has a lot of uncertainty associated with the living shots of Olethreutines, although Bob has worked hard to show a definitive collection of museum specimens. Here are the highlights: hard cover; 306 species covered all shown as spread specimens with high quality photos; a complete genitalic photo library (for those who like moth porn); ecological and phenolical info; great frontmatter on how to discuss/analyze pattern in Olethreutines; a larval key, etc. You can order the book through this link: http://www.tortricidae.com/olethreutinebook.asp Hugh On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 8:44 AM, kjchilds <kjchilds@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: I shot this one a couple of nights ago and based on the plates on MPG, the most likely suspects are 2946Phaneta apacheana or3166Pelochrista metariana. Does anyone have range info on these 2 species? I've searched but not much info is available on either one. There are photos of each by Mark Dreiling which I think means Oklahoma. His shot of 3166 is backed up by DNA testing so I'm leaning towards that one. > > > >http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p193/kjchilds/Moths%202011/Moths%202011%20temporary/IMG_5346.jpg > >http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p193/kjchilds/Moths%202011/Moths%202011%20temporary/IMG_5345.jpg > > >Ken Childs >Henderson, TN >Chester County > >http://tinyurl.com/Kens-Moths-2011 > > >