I would think they are due to the lack of reddish color. It sounds like there is still work to be done on distinguishing the species in this genus though. I think #1 looks like a good match by pattern and color. Larry McDaniel P.C. FL Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 13:21:53 -0700 From: kjchilds@xxxxxxxxx Subject: [tn-moths] Grass Tubeworm Moths To: tn-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; ncsc-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Are these 3 373 Acrolophus popeanella, Clemens' Grass Tubeworm Moths? http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p193/kjchilds/Moths%202011/Moths%202011%20temporary/IMG_4980.jpg http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p193/kjchilds/Moths%202011/Moths%202011%20temporary/IMG_4828.jpg http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p193/kjchilds/Moths%202011/Moths%202011%20temporary/IMG_4814.jpg How about this one? It's probably too worn to tell but I thought I'd see what others think. http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p193/kjchilds/Moths%202011/Moths%202011%20temporary/IMG_5005.jpg Ken Childs Henderson, TN Chester County http://www.finishflagfarms.com