My commentary from earlier today, let me hasten to say, was not in any way directed at the current effort to develop a Tennessee moth listserv to operate in parallel with the Tennessee butterfly listserv. I believe it is probably time for a listserv dedicated to Tennessee moths to be initiated, and I plan to become one of the first subscribers to this new listserv when it appears. If we have these two related but distinct listservs available, all persons who have really interesting material about leps in general can always send messages to both listservs to be sure that everyone interested gets to see this material. But for those whose interests are more focused on one group of leps than the other, the option of not having to sort through material that is outside the scope of one's interest is a good one to make available. There have been some defections from TN-Butterflies already because of the amount of material that this listserv has generated (I think Ken Childs can confirm this); some folks just don't have time or willingness to process it all and have gone away. Creating a moth listserv might ease the processing burden enough to keep more folks on one or the other of the two listservs. Thanks, Larry McDaniel, for your willingness to create TN-Moths; I look forward to this new listserv and to many years of exciting discoveries of the moth kind in my home county and around the state. Steve Stedman Cookeville (Putnam County) From: tn-butterflies-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tn-butterflies-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Stedman Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 7:13 AM To: tn-butterflies@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [TN-Butterflies] numbering the streaks on the tulip The umbrella that this listserv covers, I would like to think, is a large one, with room for many different subjects relating to butterflies, even, for the past year, room for many different subjects relating to moths. To suggest that there is a purpose for this listserv that does not provide for all-inclusiveness of subject matter is to open a door to a place where we perhaps do not want to go, so I would respectfully request that those who are in the process of opening that door should reconsider what it is that they are doing and let the door stay shut. The recent thread dealing with the morphs of the Common Buckeye and the environmental factors that contribute to the production of individuals of the various morphs was informative, and I am more than a little glad that this thread was begun by Harold Howell and followed up so well by others. However, I imagine among our readers there might be some for whom this information was not of great interest, who, to paraphrase Dr. Johnson, did not find delight in this form of "numbering the streaks on the tulip," but it is a credit to all such individuals that they did not take it upon themselves to voice snippy recriminations about the presence of this thread in the listserv because it did not meet their narrowly focused idea of what the purpose of a listserv should be. Let's all take a lesson from Geoffrey Chaucer who recommended to the readers of his Canterbury Tales that, if they didn't like the subject of one of his tales, they should simply turn to another page (i.e., hit the delete button). Good butterfly counting, Steve Stedman Cookeville (Putnam County)