[TN-Bird] Re: Sandhill Cranes
- From: "Roi Shannon" <roi@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <tn-bird@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 19:20:11 -0400
Not having participated in these drawings before, but I think you will need
to be present on Oct 19 with the proper credentials and proof of the on-line
ID coarse proving you can distinguish a Sandhill from a Whooper to
register, then they will have the drawing. May take a while and you'll have
to mingle with the hunters!! I suspect more details will be forth coming
TWRA's web Page.
From: elizabeth queener [mailto:miscueiam@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 4:23 PM
To: roi@xxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [TN-Bird] Re: Sandhill Cranes
Do you have to be present to claim your ticket and can this be done online.
If we get a group to do this, maybe only one person has to actually go
to Birchwood.
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From: roi@xxxxxxxxxx
To: tn-bird@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [TN-Bird] Re: Sandhill Cranes
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 15:21:15 -0400
My thoughts too. For the mere cost of $74 ($28 for the TN Hunt and Fish, $31
for the TN Waterfowl and $15 for the Fed Migratory Bird stamp) plus the day
(Oct 19) at Birchwood for the packet lottery you may be able to save 3
cranes.
From: tn-bird-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tn-bird-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Alice Beth & Lew
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 10:54 AM
To: jdc.birds@xxxxxxxxx
Cc: shelcove@xxxxxxx; David-Aborn@xxxxxxx; shatmak@xxxxxxxxx;
routledges@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; tn-bird@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [TN-Bird] Re: Sandhill Cranes
Excellent plan
On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 10:51 AM, JDC <jdc.birds@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Seems anyone can apply for one of the 400 permits to hunt Sandhills. Being
in possession of a permit would not require one to use it.
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 23, 2013, at 3:36 PM, Rebecca <shelcove@xxxxxxx> wrote:
Thank you for this information. I guess we all need to stay informed and be
ready. I'm sure we can count on this list to keep us up to date -
everyone's on-going work is much appreciated.
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From: Aborn, David <David-Aborn@xxxxxxx>
To: shatmak <shatmak@xxxxxxxxx>; shelcove <shelcove@xxxxxxx>
Cc: routledges <routledges@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; tn-bird <tn-bird@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Fri, Aug 23, 2013 12:29 pm
Subject: RE: [TN-Bird] Re: Sandhill Cranes
Operation Migration and the International Crane Foundation keep track of
Whooping Crane numbers at Hiwassee, so they will be able to tell if there is
a change. If a whooper does get shot, the impact will mostly be on public
relations, as the eastern birds are considered to be an experimental
population under the Endangered Species Act, so the penalties will be light.
Recall the person who shot one of the whoopers in Indiana a couple of years
ago. He was fined $1 plus court costs. If hunting makes the whoopers stay
on the refuge more, that could be good because they would be safe there. If
hunting causes them to go elsewhere, it might increase the likelihood that
one will get shot, even if they go outside the hunt zone. I have 10 years of
data on the Sandhill Cranes, so I will be able to detect differences in
their numbers, behavior, on-refuge vs. off-refuge use, etc.
From: tn-bird-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tn-bird-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:tn-bird-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?> ] On Behalf Of Shannon Hatmaker Moore
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 11:38 AM
To: shelcove@xxxxxxx
Cc: routledges@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; tn-bird@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [TN-Bird] Re: Sandhill Cranes
The best way to prevent the vote from passing was public outcry, which
happened. The most confusing part is that it seems like there is a good
chance this could impact the whoopers. If any whooping crane is shot or if
the population is impacted I think the entire hunt will be shut down (there
are many legal groups that would be willing to fight that battle I'm sure).
As for a re-vote, I do not think this was a vote for a trial period. So the
answer would be no about an annual vote. Once it's done, it's done.
Unless, like I said a case can be brought under the Endangered Species Act
if the whooping cranes are hurt.
Does anyone know if there are any research projects right now at the Refuge
so a case could be made for population change of the whoopers pre- versus
post-hunt over the next couple of years? Dr. Aborn?
Shannon Hatmaker Moore
Warner Park Nature Center
On Aug 23, 2013, at 9:37 AM, Rebecca <shelcove@xxxxxxx> wrote:
Nothing to be done to reverse or over-ride the vote? What about next year -
is the decision made annually? Where did we fail to put pressure or raise
our voices?
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From: Cynthia Anne Routledge <routledges@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Tn Bird <tn-bird@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thu, Aug 22, 2013 5:19 pm
Subject: [TN-Bird] Sandhill Cranes
It's with a heavy heart I report that the Wildlife Committee of the
Tennessee Fish and Wildlife Committee voted IN FAVOR of establishing a
Sandhill Crane hunt. The first shots will ring out this Thanksgiving Day
and last until January 1st. 400 Permits, 1200 birds, NO BUFFER zones around
the Refuge.
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"It does not require a majority to prevail but rather an irate,
tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds."
~Samuel Adams
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