Operation Migration and the International Crane Foundation keep track of Whooping Crane numbers at Hiwassee, so they will be able to tell if there is a change. If a whooper does get shot, the impact will mostly be on public relations, as the eastern birds are considered to be an experimental population under the Endangered Species Act, so the penalties will be light. Recall the person who shot one of the whoopers in Indiana a couple of years ago. He was fined $1 plus court costs. If hunting makes the whoopers stay on the refuge more, that could be good because they would be safe there. If hunting causes them to go elsewhere, it might increase the likelihood that one will get shot, even if they go outside the hunt zone. I have 10 years of data on the Sandhill Cranes, so I will be able to detect differences in their numbers, behavior, on-refuge vs. off-refuge use, etc. From: tn-bird-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tn-bird-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Shannon Hatmaker Moore Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 11:38 AM To: shelcove@xxxxxxx Cc: routledges@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; tn-bird@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [TN-Bird] Re: Sandhill Cranes The best way to prevent the vote from passing was public outcry, which happened. The most confusing part is that it seems like there is a good chance this could impact the whoopers. If any whooping crane is shot or if the population is impacted I think the entire hunt will be shut down (there are many legal groups that would be willing to fight that battle I'm sure). As for a re-vote, I do not think this was a vote for a trial period. So the answer would be no about an annual vote. Once it's done, it's done. Unless, like I said a case can be brought under the Endangered Species Act if the whooping cranes are hurt. Does anyone know if there are any research projects right now at the Refuge so a case could be made for population change of the whoopers pre- versus post-hunt over the next couple of years? Dr. Aborn? Shannon Hatmaker Moore Warner Park Nature Center On Aug 23, 2013, at 9:37 AM, Rebecca <shelcove@xxxxxxx<mailto:shelcove@xxxxxxx>> wrote: Nothing to be done to reverse or over-ride the vote? What about next year - is the decision made annually? Where did we fail to put pressure or raise our voices? -----Original Message----- From: Cynthia Anne Routledge <routledges@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:routledges@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> To: Tn Bird <tn-bird@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:tn-bird@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> Sent: Thu, Aug 22, 2013 5:19 pm Subject: [TN-Bird] Sandhill Cranes It's with a heavy heart I report that the Wildlife Committee of the Tennessee Fish and Wildlife Committee voted IN FAVOR of establishing a Sandhill Crane hunt. The first shots will ring out this Thanksgiving Day and last until January 1st. 400 Permits, 1200 birds, NO BUFFER zones around the Refuge. <") ( \ / |` Cyndi Routledge "It does not require a majority to prevail but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds." ~Samuel Adams