[TN-Bird] Re: Lesser Canada Goose?
- From: Bill Pulliam <bb551@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: OLCOOT1@xxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 08:10:00 -0600
Doing more reading last night, it seems that bill length and body
mass measurements of hutchinsii and parvipes overlap broadly; indeed
one reference lists the largest hutchinsii as actually bigger than
the largest parvipes. There are differences in "typical" head shape,
but I haven't yet seen an effort to address that rigorously. I also
haven't yet found a good discussion of the documented wintering range
of parvipes. Both hutchinsii and parvipes winter mostly to our west;
parvipes farther west on average but both have large populations
wintering in parts of Texas. I'm now suspecting those birds I saw
may be the same ones that Mike Todd saw and photographed in the same
area earlier in the winter. The head shapes in his photos do look
more like what has been described for hutchinsii. But I am
increasingly concerned that we don't yet actually know how to
consistently separate parvipes and hutchinsii in the field, and that
all but the smallest "Cacklers" seen in Tennessee might not really be
identifiable to species in the field with current knowledge. Has
anyone done DNA on small white-cheeked geese from this area?
The parvipes/hutchinsii/tavernii complex is the fly in the ointment
for the whole Canada/Cackling split. They apparently intergrade and
overlap, and are almost exactly intermediate in size and shape
between the "true" Cacklers and the "true" Canadas. Some suspect
that this split may be redrawn someday soon, with either hutchinsii/
tavernii being returned to "Canada" or parvipes being moved to
"Cackling" (which would take the new sense of "Cackling Goose" even
farther from the original concept of the smallest races from the
westernmost areas; maybe it needs to be renamed "Tundra Goose" or
"Arctic Goose" or something else?). In the first case (hutchinsii/
tavernii/parvipes all lumped with "Canada"), Tennessee and many other
eastern states might find ourselves without any documented Cackling
Geese at all anymore.
Bill Pulliam
Hohenwald TN
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