AH-HA!! I KNEW I wasn't dreaming. Just had to dig deep enough into the archives. Here's the original posting to Valley Birds on 8 May 1999. I did apparently mis-remember the observer. Dean Edwards Knoxville, TN ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 12:37:55 -0300 From: Valley Birds <jwcoffey@xxxxxxxxxx> To: Valley Birds <jwcoffey@xxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Pine Grosbeaks on Roan Mountain (TN) Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 11:41:11 -0300 From: Wallace Coffey Subject: Pine Grosbeaks on Roan Mountain (TN) Four Pine Grosbeaks have been reported seen at Roan Mountain, Carter County, Tennessee. They were observed Thursday, May 6, 1999. The birds have been reported by two observers who do not have e-mail capabilities. The two observers were Bert Hale of Bluff City TN and Bob Quillen of Bristol, VA. Hale telephone my home and missed me on Thursday evening and came to my office Friday to give me details. The report is convincing. The birds were observed by the pair for a total of five minutes from a distance of 27 feet while they picked grit on the roadside just below Carver's Gap and the North Carolina border. The elevation is approximately 5,500 feet. Hale said he was using 8.5 X 44 Swift binoculars and had an excellent study of the birds. I did not get details on the optical equipment being used by Quillen. I have not talked with him. Hale said that at approximately 2 p.m., under clear conditions and in good light, they observed a small group of six to eight birds fly in front of their car and land atop a northern conifer. A couple of minutes later four of the birds dropped to the road along with a smaller bird and began to feed in a tight group. They were not shy. I'm not sure what the smaller bird was. The observers sat in their car and watched the birds through the window at close range, noting that all but the smaller bird were just a little smaller than an American Robin. The birds were rusty color overall with one having an orange-red head. The bills were dark and the tip was most obviously hooked down on the end similar to a shrike. At least one or more had wingbars. Hale felt the downward hook of the upper mandible was a clear field mark. Not all of the birds flew down to the road and some departed leaving the others on the ground. Quillen reported seeing a nearly solid red bird flying past at one instance. Both observers have experience with all of the grosbeaks of our area (exception: Black-headed). Both are familiar with the winter finches. Bert Hale is a birder of 30-years experience and a 10-year bird bander. He is a former president of the Bristol Bird Club and well known to us all. Quillen is a 40-year birder and member of the Bristol Bird Club since the early 1960's. Hale said that after the birds flew from the road he stepped off the distance to measure their advantage point at 27 feet. Much of this is being written from memory and I probably do not have all the details. This is believed to be the second Tennessee record and the second for Roan Mountain. Six birds were reported from the North Carolina side of Roan Mountain in Mitchell County in November 1969 (Chat 34:53-58, 1970). I can't lay my hands on the Tennessee record but it came from a National Wildlife Refuge in West Tennessee, if my recolletion is correct. John C. Robinson, in his book on Tennessee birds does list a fossil remain from a cave in Maury County, TN. A spring naturalist event is underway in Carter County, TN today and those leading bird trips were alerted earlier of the Pine Grosbeak report. Birding trips are expected to search for the bird today. Wallace Coffey Bristol, TN =================NOTES TO SUBSCRIBER===================== The TN-Bird Net requires you to sign your messages with first and last name, city (town) and state abbreviation. You are also required to list the count in which the birds you report were seen. The actual date of observation should appear in the first paragraph. _____________________________________________________________ To post to this mailing list, simply send email to: tn-bird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx _____________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, send email to: tn-bird-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field. ______________________________________________________________ TN-Bird Net is owned by the Tennessee Ornithological Society Neither the society(TOS) nor its moderator(s) endorse the views or opinions expressed by the members of this discussion group. Moderator: Wallace Coffey, Bristol, TN wallace@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx _____________________________________________________________ Visit the Tennessee Ornithological Society web site at http://www.tnbirds.org * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Topographical Maps located at http://topozone.com/find.asp _____________________________________________________________