Charlie, Carole and all tn-birders, I have to chime in here in defense of Turkey Creek Wetland, which have not been completely ruined. Of course, if we could keep Turkey Creek and other wetland/ wild areas pristine and undeveloped, most of us would do so, but in this land of free market and business, if anyone has the capital for such investments, he or she can build whatever they want, as long as the proper permits are in place. I'm not saying I support the developments in this area, but what has been done, is done. The wetland is still functional hydrologically and still supports many birds and other plants and animals including mammals such as beaver, muskrat, woodchuck, fox, deer, raccon and many reptiles and amphibians. In the heart of a growing west Knoxville and Town of Farragut, there is an opportunity here for youth, and people of all ages, to observe a variety of wildlife and learn about conservation and the environment as a whole.  ; The birds Carole mentioned, as well as, yellow-breasted chats, a transient scarlet tanager, the once nesting Red-shouldered hawk, American wigeons, woodducks and other waterfowl, various herons and either a snowy or great egret (observed by Boyd Sharp I believe) have been seen this year with othersyet to be discovered. There still are impacts to the wetland and violation notices have been issued, but the monitoring continues and the impacts from trash and silt are being reduced to help conserve what is still Turkey Creek Wetland. The mitigation resulting from the developments created more wetland than what was there originally, which up to the '70s was predominantly farmland with corn growing throughout. Actually, the beavers are the main cause of the land flooding in the first place. A chapter sponsored field trip and a brief presentation and discussion of thewetland will be given at the August KTOS meeting. bird on! Mark Campen nbspKnoxville, TN &n bsp; >From: Charlie <cmmbirds@xxxxxxxxx> >Reply-To: cmmbirds@xxxxxxxxx >To: cpgobert@xxxxxxxxxxx, tn-bird@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >Subject: [TN-Bird] Re: Blue grossbeak >Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 15:51:18 -0700 (PDT) >>Carole, >>It's good to see that one can still find some interesting birds in >that area. I sadly discovered Turkey Creek after the construction >which ruined the wetlands hadalready begun. I know of at least a >couple Knox area birder who will not patronize any of the businesses >there... >>Charlie >>--- Carole Gobert <cpgobert@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>Sunday morning, June 27, around 9 a.m. I had a blue grossbeak >>serenade me >>from various small trees in the Baptist parking lot overlooking a >>part of >>the Turkey Creek wetlands in West Knox County, Tennessee. The bird >>flew >>from tree to tree, singing for a minute or so in each and fi nally >>flying off >>in the direction of the marsh. I also watched a green heron >>successfully >>fishing below in the marsh. Therewere lots of red winged >>blackbirds and >>robins. 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