If restarting the Print Spooler services fixes the problem then you know it is a printer problem. If not, something else to look at if you are using roaming profiles is your profile server for performance and Max Work items. Eliminate your profile server by moving your profile to a different server. I have also seen the same thing if your Domain controller is also having the problems such as work items, number of processes running or even files open. If you are not using roaming profiles then look at the Default user profile on the server to see if something has made the size of the profile grow. Chris ________________________________ From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Stratton, Doug ISMC:EX Sent: June 21, 2007 12:29 PM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: need some help We are running about 70 users on each of the 19 servers. Will look at spooler restarts We are using Courion which does modify the gina. It has been in place for about a year without problems. But will look at it. Memory could be a problem. If I watch the memory usage via Resource Manager it gets very low, in the past we seemed fine. W2k3 seems to do something at some point and returns a bunch of memory. The server guys did put some patch on that allowed them to set some memory management perimeter that changed the "level" at which it runs this process (sorry for the lack of details on this) I don't doubt it is a problem. Thanks for all your suggestions. Regards, Doug Stratton, Shared Service BC Service Desk Email: 77000@xxxxxxxxx Service Desk Tel: (250)387-7000 From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Greg Reese Sent: June 20, 2007 5:32 PM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: need some help you could try a script to flush out the print queue and restart the spooler every few hours. If you think it is printers anyway. How many concurrant sessions are you hitting and do you have a lot of idle /dead sessions on there? Greg On 6/20/07, Stratton, Doug ISMC:EX <Doug.M.Stratton@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: We are having some serious problems with servers gradually over the day getting into a state where when you try to logon you can put in your credentials and it starts to log you on but gets to a blue screen and just sits there. We can, in some cases, remote manage and view part of event logs but hangs most times. Our environment configuration is: w2k3 sp1 (+bunch of patches) PS3 with 2005.04 but not set to PS4 and a bunch of patches Office 2003 sp1 We think this has something to do with printers as calls usually come in first saying printing is not working. Users can 't do print preview and printing stops working. Most of our users are using Lexmark printers of some sort, networked. We have been told that the printer server guys are updating their print servers from windows 2000 to w2k3. Don' t know if it is related. At this point the only option we can come up with is SP2 the servers + patches and R03. Anyone got any less dramatic things that might help? Regards, Doug Stratton , Shared Service BC Service Desk Email: 77000@xxxxxxxxx Service Desk Tel: (250)387-7000