Good point. In this case, app deployment across all platforms is not a requirement. It is just for the Citrix environment. I see app virtualization adding a lot of value. I wasn't considering Citrix "client side virtualization", I think it's called, for this. Perhaps I should. What I would rather avoid is a case of trying the citrix solution to see what I get, and then being faced with local install or a second app virt solution if the packaging success rate is too low. So to frame it another way, is the performance gain from 64bit Windows 2008 significant enough that I would want to live with what app virt XenApp can buy me and live without App-V all together? ________________________________ From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Andrew Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 4:47 PM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: if you could only choose one... To be fair the original question was appv vs 64 bit - everyone keeps moving the goalposts :) While ctx app streaming is indeed free isn't it only 'free' if you've a ctx solution Ideally IMO you need an application delivery method that'll work across your platforms so you've a consistent delivery method be it a terminal server as the device or a laptop Sent from my iPhone On 19 Aug 2009, at 20:18, Matt Kosht <matt.kosht@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: I am only experimenting with app virtualization, but initial thoughts are yes it can do what App-V can do. App-V does seem to have a lot more options/flexibility than Citrix does. Citrix solution does seem to have a lower learning curve. I am no expert so I would certainly get more educated opinions than mine. On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Christopher Wilson < <mailto:christofire@xxxxxxxxx> christofire@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: Okay so on that angle, would you put XenApp streaming on the same level as App-V? I've not used the former, but employed softgrid/app-v with great benefit in the past. On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Matt Kosht < <mailto:matt.kosht@xxxxxxxxx> matt.kosht@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: Also under Xenapp 5 with SA I believe even the Advanced Edition (needed Enterprise Edition before that) now allows application virtualization. On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Greg Reese < <mailto:gareese@xxxxxxxxx> gareese@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: or use XenApp to virtualize your apps which runs just fine on 64Bit gear and is included in the priced of licensing XenApp already. Why spend for features you already paid for. Greg On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Andrew < <mailto:andrew.wood@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> andrew.wood@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: App-v; separating apps out and creating a transportable app deployment across devices (servers/desktops/laptops) is of greater benefit than 2008r2; and I can migrate to that when appv goes 64bit Sent from my iPhone On 19 Aug 2009, at 17:09, "Wilson, Christopher" < <mailto:CMWilson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> CMWilson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Windows 2008 R2 is 64-bit only. App-V is 32-bit only (presently). If you had to pick one which would it be - 64-bit arch or app virtualization? (and why?) 64bit means more memory and more users per server, but possibly some compatibility issues App-V means less app conflicts and hence less silos, but 32 bit only. I'm planning for a Citrix farm upgrade and curious about your thoughts.