[THIN] Re: biggest Citrix farm

BellSouth has an enterprise agreement with MI. Unfortunately Citrix
vusers were not part of the agreement and we had to pay $75,000 for 500
users.

Mark E. Schill, CCA
BellSouth Technology Group
-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Barry Flanagan
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 11:09 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: biggest Citrix farm

Neil,

Got my wires crossed for a moment there on the disconnection story.
Stupid American, huh?=20

I should cut down on the coffee I guess. <g>

I think you can cost justify it for larger solutions. Many large
companies already use MI to load simulate their external web servers
and e-commerce. The most expensive part is the Load Runner Console
usually.=20

One nice option MI has is the ability for partners to essentially
rent their software for Consulting engagements. They had this a year
or so ago when I first met with them, I assume it is still available.
They do require some training and certification on the partners
part.I don't know how much the publicize this option, but I know they
have offered it in the past. May be something to consider for the
Consultants and resellers on the list.

Thanx,
Barry Flanagan=20

=20


--- "Braebaum, Neil" <Neil.Braebaum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Barry
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> I was just a bit puzzled with the strange disconnection comment?
>=20
> And the comments about the load simulation monitoring on the other
> ancillary machines does sound most interesting. I think it's just a
> shame, that mainly, I would guess most companies won't find /
> justify
> the money for it.
>=20
> Neil
>=20
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=20
> > [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Barry Flanagan
> > Sent: 27 February 2004 15:17
> > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [THIN] Re: biggest Citrix farm
> >=20
> > Neil,
> >=20
> > Of course, You are right. MI is difficult to cost justify for=20
> > small farms. I mentioned it becasue we were discussing very=20
> > large farms. Though load simulation is important in any size=20
> > farm, IMO. There are some lower cost options. Scapa works a=20
> > bit differently than MI, but I hear it is very functional and=20
> > much cheaper (though I have never used it and haven't heard=20
> > much about them lately). CitraTest has lot of fans as well,=20
> > mainly because they are not expensive. The CSTK of course has=20
> > it uses, but it main limitation is all the scripts run on the=20
> > server, not on the client. This can help with server sizing,=20
> > but does not simulate the entire solution and may not give=20
> > you a good idea on user response time. Being free is the=20
> > trade off however <g>.
> >=20
> > Another advantage MI has is you can use it to monitor other=20
> > systems involved in the solution, and therefore determine if=20
> > another component is the bottleneck. You can have MI=20
> > components on your SQL datastore, your Exchange Server, DC's,=20
> > and files servers for example, and be able to correlate a=20
> > major increase in response time to a CPU spike on a file=20
> > server or Exchange server.  For full disclosure, I do NOT own=20
> > stock in MI (in case you are starting to wonder), but I am=20
> > sold on load simulation.=20
> >=20
> > You are right in your assumption on Fr3. The improvements in=20
> > IMA are not specifically a feature and are part of the SP. I=20
> > guess I should have just used SP3, instead of FR3.
> >=20
> > BTW, your strange disconnection story was read with great=20
> > interest by many of my co-workers around the world (I=20
> > forwarded it, hope you don't mind). Thanx for sharing!
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