Matt, It'd be useful to know some more about your environment and use cases. You've quoted technologies there, and you can have a straight compare of features - but do those features match what it is that you need to deliver what your users want? You say "never going to deliver 3d graphics with xenapp" - is that because that feature is needed, or because that feature is cool? I worked recently with a group who were under the impression that xendesktop was the *only* way that they could get good video performance - but we tested and evidenced that the new HDX technologies incorporated into latest versions of XenApp, combined with performance improvements in R2 meant they could roll out XenApp6 rather than move to xendesktop. Looked at thin clients from hp and 10zig. The users just wanted better colours in their IE sessions and video - xenapp 6 delivered that. "where the business thinks that VDI is of use." .. to be honest "the business" rarely cares about how the technology works, just as long as it does. My experience - unless you've apps that only work in a desktop OS, VDI offers little over XenApp sessions. What do you need it to do? From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of M Sent: 03 March 2011 22:11 To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: Xen Desktop and other VDi solutions Many thanks to both replies Andrew / Russell. Some very useful info there. Im also keen to hear about other experiences (hence the post). Matt ----- Original Message ----- From: Russell Robertson <mailto:russell@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 9:09 AM Subject: [THIN] Re: Xen Desktop and other VDi solutions Hi Matt It would be interesting to find out where the business thinks that VDI is of use. We find that XenApp is now classed as one of the components of desktop virtualisation and its the use case that's important. We all know that we are never going to deliver 3D graphics with XenApp (or a hosted shared desktop in XenDesktop terms) but we'd need to do something clever like streaming the image to a desktop blade to get the performance required. The Wyse Zero client, the Xenith, works well. It has most of the HDX offerings and have played audio through it with little problem. There is no Flash offload yet, hopefully will come sometime soon. Also, some of the new features such as the Print Optimization Pack from Citrix won't work on non Windows clients. We've also been testing the Fujitsu Zero client and it requires PanoLogic to work. It also only works with XenDesktop (not XenApp) so we'll have to wait till we are on a XD site to try this one out. And its another layer on top of XenDesktop as the client points to PanoLogic server and then the PanoLogic points to the hypervisor system and the desktop broker. The protocol between the client and the PanoLogic server is PanoLogic's own so Citrix Sessions using HDX are completely separate. I've avoided doing much on VMware View as once you deliver the desktop I'm not convinced ThinApp is the way to deliver the apps. If you use Citrix, you've paid for delivering the desktop already. Hope this helps. Keen to hear of other experiences. Cheers Russell From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of M Sent: 02 March 2011 23:59 To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Xen Desktop and other VDi solutions Hello there, I have been asked to look at VDI solutions to compliment our XenApp Environment. There are a number of solutions out there including XenDesktop. I quite like XenDesktop and it is a natural compliment to our Xenapp environment .... but i would like to see what other solutions other people may have experience of. We have around 10 000 users running the usual mixed bag of apps. CAD is there , but this isnt being considered for the VDI solution. A buzzword that i keep reading about is "zero client". We have a number of Wyse devices and Wyse do indeed provide their own Zero client. I have also been reading up on other solutions Teradici and a company headed by an Ex Wyse chappie .. Pano Logic .. although this looks like a smaller non enterprise type of solution. Does anyone have any comments on VDI solutions including the ones i have mentioned ? Thanks for your time Matt