[THIN] Re: XPe or MPS4 ???
- From: "Berny Stapleton" <berny.stapleton@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 17:06:21 -0000
Yes, as per the other email to the list, I am pretty sure that XPe is
still supported till the end of next year.
The only difference would be, that although there is more rebuilds it's
a staged migration and can be easier to handle by the users as there is
a potential for "Look and feel" to change.
Also, there may be problems with internally developed applications and
jumping from one platform (Win2k with XPe) to another (Win2k3 with MPS4)
so it might be a requirement from an extended testing point of view.
I know in a migration that I did at a previous company I had to do a
staged upgrade of Win2k/XPe to Win2k/XPe (Moved the farm from one
datacentre to another) and then upgrade the farm to Win2k3/XPe and then
rebuild again to MPS4 once we knew that everything was going to run
correctly.
Pain in the butt to do, but at the same time we didn't want the risk as
the whole business was dependent on this farm.
Berny
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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Melvin.Columna@xxxxxxxxx
Sent: 03 January 2006 16:31
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: XPe or MPS4 ???
Berny, I think we have both TS CAL and Citrix CAL maintenance.
I just spoke to the folks who do the Citrix installs, they say that XPe
is still under support, but they may force a MP4 ruling since they would
then have to rebuild the box from Win2K+XPe to Win2K3+XPe to lastly
Win2K3+MPS4
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Melvin Columna
Kraft Foods/GDC - Application Management
eMail: Melvin<.>Columna<@>Kraft.com {remove the < and > characters}
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-----Original Message-----
From: Berny Stapleton [mailto:berny.stapleton@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 11:22 AM
To: Melvin.Columna@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [THIN] Re: XPe or MPS4 ???
Sorry, that should have been:
well. So essentially, you have already paid for part of the
software side of
things.(http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/howtobuy/licensing/ts
letter.mspx
<http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/howtobuy/licensing/tsletter.
mspx> )
Basically the two components are:
The TS CAL - Which if you had maintenance on Win2k pro when XP
was released you get the Win2k3 CAL for nothing.
The Citrix CAL - If you have maintenance on your Citrix XPe CALs
you will get Citrix MPS4 for nothing.
Long answer is that sooner or later you are going to have to
upgrade though. (Or alternatively change platforms)
Berny
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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Berny Stapleton
Sent: 03 January 2006 16:14
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: XPe or MPS4 ???
It depends, if you have subscription advantage then you should
be able to get MPS4 for nothing. I don't think you can get XPe licenses
any longer, I think you can buy MPS4 licenses and get XPe licenses from
the tech support desks, but I am pretty sure that XPe licenses can't be
bought as of end of last year. (Check with your reseller though)
If you had Microsoft subscription advantage cover of your Win2k
clients when Windows XP came out (24th April 2003) you will find that
you will be entitled to the Win2k3 TS CALs as well. So essentially, you
have already paid for the software side of
things.(http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/howtobuy/licensing/ts
letter.mspx) If not then you will have to pay for the Win2k3 TS CALs. So
single wammy. If you don't have the Subscription Advantage, then you
would have had to pay for both.
If you have support on your Citrix XPe, then you could well find
that you are entitled to MPS4.
At the end fo the day cost or not, you are going to have to
upgrade, Win2k is already in Extended support, and although it will be
around for another 4 years, it's going to be dead soon enough. It's
coming up to 6 years old now. Dollars and cents will should also include
the cost of migrating your platform. You may find that some of the
applications that you run on your Citrix servers at the moment might not
be supported on Win2k3.
Soon enough XPe isn't going to be supported. I am pretty sure
that it gets pulled from maintenance as of the end of this year, and it
his unsupported end of next...
Berny
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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Melvin.Columna@xxxxxxxxx
Sent: 03 January 2006 15:48
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] XPe or MPS4 ???
Happy New Year Gang,
I guess talking dollars+cents, what is "cheaper", Windows
2003+XPe or Windows 2003+MPS4 ???
We currently run 10 servers that are Windows 2000/SP3 + XPe/SP3
w/ Sub. Adv. and our clients are Win2000/SP4 and WinXP/SP1
I hear stuff about double whammy with TS Licenses.
Please reply to the list if you need additional info.
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Melvin Columna
Kraft Foods/GDC - Application Management
eMail: Melvin<.>Columna<@>Kraft.com {remove the < and >
characters}
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