Disclaimer: I'm not a lawyer. At a former employer, I had to worry about a similar issue... non-exempt people working all hours of the day and night. Here's what we did rather than create an administrative nightmare as Michael describes. We chose a department policy approach rather than a technical one. The official policy was that the VPN door was always open, just like the glass door at the front of the building. If a non-exempt employee was ASKED to work extra hours, they were welcome to use either door and would be paid overtime. However, if they were not asked, but wished to work voluntarily, they were not welcome to do so even though both doors remained unlocked. Since they were not welcome, they would not be paid. The monitoring we did showed quite a few folks logging in to check batch computer jobs but they didn't spend any appreciable amount of time. No one ever "tested" this policy in court but I think it would have held up. HTH, Raff -----Original Message----- From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Pardee, Michael P. Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 2:09 PM To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Subject: [THIN] Re: Web Interface and access via groups/permissions Would become a nightmare to administer because of overtime. -----Original Message----- From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 11:30 AM To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Subject: [THIN] Re: Web Interface and access via groups/permissions Why not do it at the Domain level and restrict login time hours? -----Original Message----- From: Pardee, Michael P. [mailto:MPardee@xxxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 11:24 AM To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Subject: [THIN] Web Interface and access via groups/permissions I apologize if this has been discussed, but I have not found the magic bullet yet. We rolled out Web Interface to our users and they went absolutely nuts. They love it. Actually told me it's one of the best things my group has done on the last 10 years. I "think" that may be a compliment. HR, however, has just come up with a reason to give us heartburn over this - hourly employees. We never saw it coming. They are concerned about hourly employees working too many hours. Apparently they can come back and take the company to court for payment for time they worked. I never knew about that piece before, but I definitely understand it now. We have 2 Web Interface environments here; an internal one and an external one that also uses CSG. This is all version 2 by the way. Is there a way to either give permissions to users that need it or do a deny for folks that shouldn't have it? 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