[THIN] WANSCALER! was RE: FYI: Citrix To Acquire Orbital Data, A Leading Pro vider of WAN Op timization Solutions

Per Jay Tomlins blog Citrix may call this WANScaler
  http://www.jaytomlin.com/blog/
  Thoughts on the Orbital Data acquisition      On Monday Citrix announced that 
it had signed an agreement to acquire privately-held Orbital Data, a network 
appliance builder out of San Mateo, California. This makes the fourth Citrix 
acquisition of Silicon Valley appliance makers (Net6, NetScaler, Teros and now 
Orbital Data). 
   
  How does this box fit in with the rest of Citrix?

    Citrix WANScaler
  Citrix NetScaler already optimizes traffic to web browsers, relying on 
standard HTTP optimizations that are available in all modern browsers and by 
tuning the TCP connections to the client and back-end web servers. When users 
go through a NetScaler device to access a web server farm, they get better 
performance without having to install any software on their client machine. 
This asymmetric aproach is perfect for dot-coms like Google or MySpace who need 
to push out tons of HTTP traffic to anonymous clients all over the web.
  But what about non-HTTP traffic? NetScaler can't really help there unless you 
are using it as an SSL VPN. The NetScaler SSL VPN client can perform 
multi-protocol compression. What about, for example, users in a branch office 
who need access to file servers at the company headquarters? It would be 
overkill to make all the branch office users log into an SSL VPN when there's 
already a WAN link in place. 
  That's where Orbital Data fits in. It's a symmetric solution, where you put 
one box in HQ and then another box at the branch office. The two Orbital Data 
devices perfrom site-to-site traffic optimization for any protocol. Its 
transparent "bump-in-the-wire" architecture means that clients in the branch 
office and servers at HQ need no software to get the benefits. 
  If you've worked with Citrix for a while, you already know that one of our 
core compentencies as an organization is rapid and frequent product renaming. 
;-) We've already got a brand new brand name in mind for the Orbital Data 
boxes: Citrix WANScaler. I think this is a perfect name actually, it rolls off 
the tongue and conveys its purpose succinctly.
  How does this mesh with the Citrix VOS strategy?
  Citrix is all about delivering applications to users. For the past year or so 
we have been communicating a three-pronged approach for dealing with three 
different types of applications:
    
   Virtualize client/server applications with Presentation Server   
   Optimize web-based applications with NetScaler   
   Stream desktop applications with Project Tarpon 
  WANScaler will extend the "Optimize" message to embrace more than just HTTP 
traffic. It optimizes traffic on WAN links between offices within an 
organization. There's a nice little Powerpoint presentation posted on 
citrix.com that summarizes the WANScaler benefits and how it fits in with the 
rest of our VOS strategy.
  What does WANScaler have to do with Presentation Server?
  Not much really. The ICA protocol is already highly efficient and compressed 
so there's not a tremendous amount of value that a network appliance can add. 
The sweet spot for Orbital Data is optimizing traffic for applications and data 
that would otherwise use overly chatty protocols that run like molasses over a 
high-latency WAN link (like CIFS). However, most WAN links are not dedicated to 
ICA traffic, and by optimizing the other protocols on the WAN link, more room 
will be left over for ICA traffic. So Presentation Server users may notice 
better performance too by virtue of having a WAN link that is less congested.
  I think this is a good move for Citrix, and one that was widely anticipated. 
  Jay


   
  
Ruben Spruijt < wrote:
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  That?s why this acquisition isn?t bad in my opinion
   
  Ruben
   
      
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  From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf 
Of Joe Shonk
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 2:15 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: FYI: Citrix To Acquire Orbital Data, A Leading Pro vider of 
WAN Op timization Solutions

   
  Also,  as a software based solution (as opposed to ASIC) it will be easy for 
Citrix to port the code over to the Netscaler.  So from a Netscaler 
perspective, this makes more sense as an acquisition than Packeteer.
   
  Joe
      
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  From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf 
Of Ruben Spruijt
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 1:58 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: FYI: Citrix To Acquire Orbital Data, A Leading Pro vider of 
WAN Op timization Solutions

   
  Hi,
   
  Orbital Data has also a software based solution: ?Orbital Data was the first 
company in the industry to deliver a compact, software-based version of its 
branch appliance technology that can be deployed directly on a remote user's 
PC? .
  That! makes a difference between Orbital Data and other vendors like Expand, 
Riverbed and Packateer..
  From that point of view not so bad acquisition..
   
  With regards,
  Ruben Spruijt
   
   
   
      
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  From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf 
Of Landin, Mark
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 8:38 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: FYI: Citrix To Acquire Orbital Data, A Leading Pro vider of 
WAN Op timization Solutions

   
  Got it. So that's on the network side. I know Tacit does delta optimization 
for WAFS traffic.
   
    
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  From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf 
Of Steve Greenberg
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 1:49 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: FYI: Citrix To Acquire Orbital Data, A Leading Pro vider of 
WAN Op timization Solutions
  An intelligent algorithm which watches the actual payload of packets and does 
not send data that already exists on the target side. By analogy, if the packet 
contained the word  LICENSE and you then send LICENSES (plural) it would only 
send the S, probably a bad example but it gives you the basic idea
   
    Steve Greenberg
  Thin Client Computing
  34522 N. Scottsdale Rd D8453
  Scottsdale, AZ 85262
  (602) 432-8649
  www.thinclient.net
  steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

   
      
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  From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf 
Of Landin, Mark
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 11:23 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: FYI: Citrix To Acquire Orbital Data, A Leading Pro vider of 
WAN Op timization Solutions

   
  What is that?
   
    
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  From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf 
Of Joe Shonk
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 1:15 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: FYI: Citrix To Acquire Orbital Data, A Leading Pro vider of 
WAN Op timization Solutions
  There is still room for improvement.  For one, differential compression.
   
  Joe
   
      
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  From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf 
Of Landin, Mark
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 10:42 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: FYI: Citrix To Acquire Orbital Data, A Leading Pro vider of 
WAN Op timization Solutions

   
  My understanding is that the ICA protocol itself is already pretty "optimal" 
so I'm not sure what Orbital brings to the table that Riverbed and Tacit don't. 
Tacit in particular seems to cover ALL the bases: disk-cache WAFS, WAN 
optimization for CIFS, NFS, HTTP, Sharepoint, SQL, and others, plus Windows 
domain functions, including authentication, DHCP, print serving, etc, all in 
one appliance.
   
  Is there some "special" ICA optimization that Orbital can do that others 
can't?
   
    
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  From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf 
Of Winslow, Philip
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 11:43 AM
To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: [THIN] Re: FYI: Citrix To Acquire Orbital Data, A Leading Pro vider of 
WAN Op timization Solutions
  I'd agree that the press release is a bit much with the "A Leading Provider 
of WAN Optimization Solutions" language, but the technology is rather 
interesting. 
   
  Orbital Data can accelerate applications delivered by Presentation Server (up 
to 5x faster according to Citrix), and in the future, if Citrix Systems can add 
stronger offerings for Wide Area File Systems (WAFS) and caching into the 
WANScaler appliances, WANScaler could be positioned as an appliance to optimize 
the performance of application streaming technologies.  My guess is that we'll 
also see a "super agent" in the future -- i.e., a combination of the 
OrbitalEdge Agent, Tarpon Agent, Program Neighborhood Agent, and Reflectent 
Agent.  
   
  Orbital Data is a small company right now, but Citrix is going to really ramp 
the R&D team.  They've got a ways to go on the development side, but it'll be 
interesting to watch what comes of this acquisition longer-term.
   
   
    
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  From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf 
Of Steve Greenberg
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 12:50 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: FYI: Citrix To Acquire Orbital Data, A Leading Provider of 
WAN Op timization Solutions
   
  I don't know, we are getting a lot of interest from customer in this area and 
we have been told that both Cisco and Riverbed products did not deliver during 
testing - maybe Citrix is on to something here....
   
    Steve Greenberg
  Thin Client Computing
  34522 N. Scottsdale Rd D8453
  Scottsdale, AZ 85262
  (602) 432-8649
  www.thinclient.net
  steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

   
      
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  From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf 
Of Tim Mangan
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 7:09 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: FYI: Citrix To Acquire Orbital Data, A Leading Provider of 
WAN Op timization Solutions

   
  Or maybe Riverbed, which looks pretty hot right now too.
   
      
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  From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf 
Of Landin, Mark
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 9:36 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: FYI: Citrix To Acquire Orbital Data, A Leading Provider of 
WAN Op timization Solutions

   
  Packeteer, who just bought Tacit, who looked to me like a REAL "leading 
provider". 
   
    
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  From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf 
Of Jim Kenzig http://ThinHelp.com
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 7:10 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: FYI: Citrix To Acquire Orbital Data, A Leading Provider of 
WAN Op timization Solutions
    Wow they have 60 employees to service whopping 75 customers? How does that 
make them a leading provider? WTF? I'd be much more excited if they bought 
somebody like Packeteer. 

    JK

"Winslow, Philip" <philip.winslow wrote:

    FYI
     

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