ESX is defintely the way to go for this application. I don't know = whether or not they support a scripted installation, but the installation is a very simple GUI Linux installer that "looks" like it could be easily = scripted... Steve Greenberg Thin Client Computing 34522 N. Scottsdale Rd. suite D8453 Scottsdale, AZ 85262 (602) 432-8649 (602) 296-0411 fax=20 steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On = Behalf Of Tony Lyne Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 2:08 PM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: VMWare Server Sizing Well it sounds like ESX is the way to go then for this client. I will = =3D get hold of a copy and look at scripting options with it for deployment. I do have to scope this farm to expand, as they intend on making the =3D = farm available to possibly 100s of thousands of users globally in the =3D = long term. The farm will span Australia and NZ as well. eDirectory and Zen works will be integrated into the farm as well so I = =3D can use Zen for the scripted build side of things. Tony Lyne Senior Systems Engineer=3D20 Computerland Central=3D20 P O Box 1470=3D20 PALMERSTON NORTH Telephone (+64) 06 3537300 Facsimile (+64) 06 3566800 Mobile (+64) 0274 720696 E-mail Tony.Lyne@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Internet http://www.computerland.co.nz CAUTION: This e-mail message and accompanying data may contain =3D = information that is confidential and subject to privilege. If you are =3D not the = intended recipient, you are notified that any use, =3D dissemination, = distribution or copying of this message or data is =3D prohibited. If you have received = this e-mail in error, please notify me =3D immediately and delete all = material pertaining to this e-mail. Thank =3D you. =3DA0 -----Original Message----- From: Steve Greenberg [mailto:steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]=3D20 Sent: Monday, 23 February 2004 8:44 a.m. To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: VMWare Server Sizing On very similar hardware we have a client running four virtual machines = =3D =3D3D and there is plenty of resources still available. It is going to = depend =3D3D entirely on the load you require, but for non-resource intensive applications 10 =3D =3D3D or 15 machines is quite possible. Keep in mind = that you will not gain performance as a whole, you will just have the ability = to divide the resource up into multiple servers. This is based on using ESX server, on =3D =3D3D GSX you should expect lower overall performance on = the virtual machines. I see the benefit as being able to host multiple functions on the same hardware. The customer we are working on this has a low Citrix user = =3D3D count, but does not want to have to buy hardware for a dedicated data = =3D3D collector, web server and other light duty functions unrelated to Citrix that they. =3D =3D3D As a result, they run two ESX servers, maintain a = redundant Citrix farm =3D3D with a dedicated data collector, and, have resources available for other =3D3D servers that they would otherwise need to buy = and dedicate hardware for. Regards, Steve Greenberg Thin Client Computing 34522 N. Scottsdale Rd. suite D8453 Scottsdale, AZ 85262 (602) 432-8649 (602) 296-0411 fax=3D3D20 steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On = =3D =3D3D Behalf Of Tony Lyne Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 1:04 PM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] VMWare Server Sizing Guys, =3D3D20 Im in the middle of designing a Citrix farm for a client and it seems = =3D =3D3D the VMWare subject has been thrashed around here quite a bit. But one = thing =3D =3D3D I can find is the number is VMware sessions that should be run = per server before serious performance issues are hit. =3D3D20 The farm will be running Linux then Vmware on that which will be =3D3D launching multiple VMWare Win2k3 server sessions with MFXPa/e.=3D3D20 =3D3D20 If they will only be doing the basic work like MS Office and other =3D3D office applications, typically from experience how many VMware sessions would people expect to get per server before they notices a performance = hit? =3D3D20 The server kit will be DL360G3's with 4GB RAM and mirrored disks. =3D3D20 I was expecting to start with each server running 2 VMware sessions each = =3D =3D3D and see how that goes. There will most likely be vertical application servers as well. =3D3D20 Tony Lyne Senior Systems Engineer=3D3D20 Computerland Central=3D3D20 P O Box 1470=3D3D20 PALMERSTON NORTH Telephone (+64) 06 3537300 Facsimile (+64) 06 3566800 Mobile (+64) 0274 720696 E-mail Tony.Lyne@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Internet http://www.computerland.co.nz =3D <http://www.computerland.co.nz/>=3D3D20 CAUTION: This e-mail message and accompanying data may contain =3D3D information that is confidential and subject to privilege. If you are = not the =3D3D intended recipient, you are notified that any use, = dissemination, distribution or copying of this message or data is prohibited. If you = have received this e-mail in error, please notify me immediately and delete = all material pertaining to this e-mail. 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