Oh I totally agree - i just came across the 'I've got a paging issue so my first thought would be to improve the disk' thought which I think shouldn't start with the 'have I got a fast enough disk' but 'why have I not got enough memory' :) Commander Australia! Ah-ha I knew the reason why we lost the burnt stumps again couldn't have been because our cricketers are rubbish ;) _____ From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Rick Mack Sent: 09 January 2007 00:44 To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: TSCALE or Appsense Hi Andrew, Sorry, I was mixing threads and trying to address other aspects of system slowness as well. I agree 100% that if you haven't got enough free memory things really don't perform well. But you can extend things just a bit further by minimising paging and getting everything else reasonably optimal. Then you obviously also look at things like unnecessary processes (ctfmon, virus monitor, altiris agent etc etc) that don't have to run for everyone. 10-15 MB per user x 50 users is often worth doing. If we're giving Angela a system makeover, we might as well do the lot ;-) regards, Rick Ulrich Mack Commander Australia On 1/9/07, Andrew Wood <andrew.wood@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Hmm... I would start with 'have you got enough memory'... -----Original Message----- From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jez Sent: 08 January 2007 12:17 To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: TSCALE or Appsense On 1/8/07, Rick Mack <ulrich.mack@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Excessive paging is certainly going to slow your system down, but a > constant companion to a high hard page fault rate is a lot of disk > actvity with the disk busy time starting to stay too close to 100%. I would start with: Are you using a SCSI RAID system in your server with a Write-Cache enabler?