[THIN] Re: Starting it all over
- From: Rob Slayden <rslayden@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 11:27:48 -0800
Another thing, if you go rack-mounted servers, definitely do IP-KVM. We are
loving it, having migrated over from standard KVM with the thick cables! You
can not only simplify your cabling through the racks, but you can also
access the consoles through their IP addresses instead. Also, something else
to consider is going with overhead ladder racks for network and fibre
cabling. We recently deployed them in the data center and they have helped
us immensely. My network manager recommends taking a look at Panduit's
rack-based patch-panel infrastructure. By implementing a 192-port path panel
in the top 4U of every rack, you should pretty much cover your bases for
even the most dense implementations. For example, 42 DL360 servers with 3
ports cabled per servers is 126 cable runs. You would still have plenty left
over. Another thing; although the blade infrastucture can include switches
deployed to the enclosures with GBIC uplinks back to core switches,
depending upon how your network environment is configured, there may be
issues with VTP domains and spanning tree. Just some things to consider...
rob
-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Reese [mailto:gareese@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 8:58 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Starting it all over
We are a 100% thin client environement. Everyone at all remote locations
has a Neoware thin cleint. That won't change. Neither will the networking
between us and them.
I have to look at racks, wire management, kvm options. the whole thing.
Tight now I have some generic rack with come crappy wire guid the reseller
put in before i cam on board. They jusr zip-ties everything to the rack
frame. It has been a nightmare to work with. I dont'
want to fall into the same trap.
Each of our remote locations does exactly the same thing and they all use
the same apps. I just have to keep my eye on being able to add more
locations that will fall in to the same category.
Greg
On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:18:22 -0000, Braebaum, Neil
<neil.braebaum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Well blades, but I'm doing that.
>
> I'm not entirely sure on the whole booting from the SAN thing - I can
> see some pros, but also some cons.
>
> I'd do an awful amount of thinking and soul searching about what I
> wanted to do about file and print - MSCS for big scenarios hasn't
> always been such a panacea, and the whole model (even with 2003 ES)
> isn't so great WRT dfs.
>
> The more I think about it the more I think some provisioning / volume
> management software is the way to go with filestore, and abstracting
> it from the physical / sorta logical architecture.
>
> Choice of clients and consideration of their entry within the farm,
> would be another factor.
>
> It gets a whole deal vague, though, because I don't just do TS /
> Citrix stuff, and not just windows, either, so a blank sheet of paper
> representing the data-centre looks rather big...
>
> Neil
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Greg Reese
> > Sent: 19 November 2004 15:54
> > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [THIN] Starting it all over
> >
> > If you had to throw out your entire server setup and start over,
> > would you do differently a second time around.
> >
> > We have undergone recent changes here and I pretty much get to do
> > that after the first of the year. Exchange, SQL, Firewall, Citrix,
> > Windows servers, the whole entire datacenter - gone. It all has to
> > be redone from scratch and it has to be done with an eye on future
> > growth.
> >
> > I was thinking of moving it all to blades that boot from a SAN.
> > It's all standalone servers now.
> >
> > I'm just curious what the rest of you have run into that you wish
> > you could do differently if given the chance.
> >
> > Greg
>
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