[THIN] Re: Rebooting Win2k Terminal servers
- From: "Greg Reese" <GReese@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 21:19:40 -0400
no, they really do write bad code. No need to defend them.
:)
You can't ever win on this list Lucas....
Greg
-----Original Message-----
From: Lucas Boyken [mailto:lboyken@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 5:08 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Rebooting Win2k Terminal servers
Ok, since I've been taking some flack for the comments mentioning
Microsoft and their inefficient code, I must clarify. For all you out
there that simply LOVE Microsoft, they do have poorly written code.
However, if you examine the situation, context and subject of this
pointed comment, it is easy to understand why I expressed myself the way
I did. Microsoft is a Large corporation. The left brain doesn't always
talk to the right brain and vice versa. They write extremely complex
and time consuming programs that have millions of lines of code and
logic that at the end of the day must all fit together and work to a
certain level of proficiency or the whole thing is garbage. Yes,
Microsoft and every other programming company out there has a tough job.
With all that said, though, when you are on top of the Mountain (King
per say) you have to keep doing the job cleaner and better than everyone
else. It is simply my opinion that Microsoft could be doing a better
job. If they aren't careful, they will become a dinosaur and be seen
just as they saw IBM in the early 80's. Hopefully this clears the air a
little bit and all of you out there that take some kind of personal
offense to the comments I have made about Microsoft, well then...you
need help or something. They aren't your hometown baseball team or
anything...they are just another big American corporation trying to take
your money by making a product they think you need.
By the way, I'm not a Linux/Unix hacker/cracker. I'm just an average,
everyday computer consultant that has seen his fair share of many
different software companies make mistakes that makes my life harder.
If you make my life harder than it has to be, well, I'm going to say
something not so nice about you. Thank you.
Respectfully,
Lucas W. Boyken
Computer Systems Associates
Account Manager / Technical Representative
lboyken@xxxxxxxxx
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-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Lyne [mailto:Tony.Lyne@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]=3D20
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 3:53 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Rebooting Win2k Terminal servers
That's another point Im going to mention to them as well.
I have clients who run AS400's as transaction servers and every night =
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they perform scheduled reboots on the OS to keep them in top shape. So =
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its not just a MS thing.
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From: Braebaum, Neil [mailto:Neil.Braebaum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]=3D3D20
Sent: Thursday, 12 June 2003 1:32 a.m.
To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: [THIN] Re: Rebooting Win2k Terminal servers
Comments inline...
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lucas Boyken [mailto:lboyken@xxxxxxxxx]=3D3D20
> Sent: 11 June 2003 14:21
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Re: Rebooting Win2k Terminal servers
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> If you want to attack this from a different angle, you might=3D3D20 =
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>more successful. Try searching Technet or Microsoft.com=3D3D20 =
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>"memory leaks" and "windows 2000" or "NT" and you will=3D3D20 see =
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>Microsoft, of course, has a long running history of=3D3D20 memory =
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>problems. The only solution for these problems=3D3D20 since the late =
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>(98, NT) has been reboots. This is per=3D3D20 Microsoft's=3D20
>recommendations. =3D3D20
> Also, researching clearing of RAM by cycling the machines=3D3D20
> would be helpful. Really, this will get you to the same=3D3D20
> place I mentioned above. The overall need for reboots on a=3D3D20
> Microsoft platform is due to the inefficient code that has=3D3D20
> been placed into their products.
In fairness, memory leaks can be in the domain of applications.
I'd agree, that poor garbage collection could be a cause, and that =3D3D
Microsoft
*applications* can be as guilty as any other - but you've only to look =
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at some Java implementations / applications, to realise that it's hardly
=3D3D solely a Microsoft, nor an OS thing.
Neil
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