[THIN] Re: RDP Vs. ICA Client

Also third party tools like Tricerat Simplify Printing allow you to limit
RDP print bandwidth.... 


Steve Greenberg
Thin Client Computing
34522 N. Scottsdale Rd. suite D8453
Scottsdale, AZ 85262
(602) 432-8649
(602) 296-0411 fax 
steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx


-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Matt Kosht
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 11:05 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: RDP Vs. ICA Client

To contrast RDP and ICA...on print jobs you have a built-in choice on ICA
(with MFXP FR2 and later) to limit bandwidth used by printing. 
There isn't a native ability to do this in RDP. Though with a traffic shaper
you could make it work.

>>> steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 9/1/2004 11:18:27 AM >>>
Keep in mind that the interactive ICA is fairly low bandwidth and pretty
bursty, it is printing and file acess which hogs the pipe, it would be
interesting the run the same tests adding print jobs and local drive
access....
 

Steve Greenberg
Thin Client Computing
34522 N. Scottsdale Rd. suite D8453
Scottsdale, AZ 85262
(602) 432-8649
(602) 296-0411 fax
steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 



 

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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Ron Oglesby
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 5:33 AM
To: Newman, Phil; thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: RDP Vs. ICA Client



10K. Well that's pretty good. And if it works you that is what matters
right? Generally we have found ICA fatter than that (better than RDP)
but
with bandwidth costs being inexpensive (relatively) some of our
smaller
clients have opted for the TS only route.

 

10 K, wow.

 

Ron Oglesby

Senior Technical Architect

Microsoft MVP, Windows Server 

 

RapidApp, Chicago

Office 312.372.7188

Mobile 815.325.7618

email roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Newman, Phil [mailto:Phil.Newman@xxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 2:13 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; Ron Oglesby
Subject: RE: [THIN] Re: RDP Vs. ICA Client

 

In the tests we ran - the figures can out at an average of 10k per
connection for ICA, and 23k for RDP.

 

In relation to rollout we are doing it makes staying with Citrix the
best
way forward, as I am looking at a large number of small offices, all
using
limited bandwidth DSL links.

 

And to support RDP, the investment in WAN costs exceeded the Citrix
licensing cost.

 

Let me know what you think.

 

regards,

 

Phil

 

 

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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf
Of Ron Oglesby
Sent: 31 August 2004 13:37
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
Subject: [THIN] Re: RDP Vs. ICA Client

Your kidding right? What metrics are you using to compare the two
protocols,
and what is the pay pack?

 

Ron

 

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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf
Of Newman, Phil
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 1:58 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
Subject: [THIN] Re: RDP Vs. ICA Client

 

The main driver I have seen for Citrix recently is the bandwidth issue,
in
implementing a new farm - we found that the bandwidth required for
Terminal
server, and hence the increase in Network cost - exceeds the cost of
the
Citrix licenses... 

-----Original Message----- 
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf
Of Nick Smith 
Sent: 26 August 2004 15:15 
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
Subject: [THIN] Re: RDP Vs. ICA Client 

Hmmm...upgrade 5 users to Citrix on Win2k = c. $2000(I think). Upgrade

5 usrs from win2k to w2k3 = c. $750. 

-----Original Message----- 
From: Tom Howarth [mailto:tom.howarth@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: 26 August 2004 14:54 
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
Subject: [THIN] Re: RDP Vs. ICA Client 

True, but in a environment where they do not have any terminal
services, it
is very difficult to see a compelling argument for Ctx

-----Original Message----- 
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf
Of Bill Beckett 
Sent: 26 August 2004 14:39 
To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' 
Subject: [THIN] Re: RDP Vs. ICA Client 

Well the cost of 2003 is upgrading to 2003 if you're not there yet. 

-----Original Message----- 
From: Tom Howarth [mailto:tom.howarth@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 9:39 AM 
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
Subject: [THIN] Re: RDP Vs. ICA Client 

 

Cost, no Citrix tax. With windows 2003 there is little or no advantage
in
using ica locally. 

A native windows 2003 with a WTS gateway will provide almost the same
experience as a Citrix XPa environment with none of the added expense

-----Original Message----- 
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf
Of Jason Miller 
Sent: 26 August 2004 14:26 
To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' 
Subject: [THIN] RDP Vs. ICA Client 

I'm just curious about something within this group.  

I've noticed more people than I expcected using RDP to connect their
users
to their Metaframe servers.  I've always been a big ICA client person
myself.  I'm just curious to see what benefits some folks see w/ the
RDP
client over the ICA client, or is it just preference?

Thanks. 

Jay 
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